[Heb-NACO] [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date)

[Heidi G Lerner]

Yes!


Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953

fax: 650-725-1120

e-mail: lerner at stanford.edu


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See Stephen Hearn's email from yesterday (3:02PM), where he says:

"Yes, it would be more in keeping with MARC21 to add a date qualifier to subfield $p in parentheses without $f when it distinguishes the work being named.  In the MARC21 Bib Format under Heading Fields, X30, the text distinguishes between "date of publication" added to a uniform title field in subfield $f and "Date added parenthetically to distinguish between identical uniform titles" without separate subfield coding."

As I understand it, when added in parenthesis the date is needed as part of the access point for differentiation; in $f it's just added for the sake of extra information.

Heidi, do I understand that correctly?

On 11/16/2015 1:56 PM, Judith Zupnick wrote:

What is the difference whether one records the date in subfield f or in parentheses?


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FYI

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I did a keyword search today in the OCLC authority file for titles containing the words works, selections, and 2015.  There are records like these:



Ashlag, Yehudah. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)

Dōgen, ǂd 1200-1253. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)

Jano, Jack. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)

Kook, Abraham Isaac, ǂd 1865-1935. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)

Lovecraft, H. P. ǂq (Howard Phillips), ǂd 1890-1937. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)



But many, many more records like these:



Austen, Jane, ǂd 1775-1817. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015

Benjamin, Walter, ǂd 1892-1940. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015

Chopin, Kate, ǂd 1850-1904. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015

Jackson, Shirley, ǂd 1916-1965. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015

Lawrence, D. H. ǂq (David Herbert), ǂd 1885-1930. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015

Madison, James, ǂd 1751-1836. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015

Man Ray, ǂd 1890-1976. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015

Noonan, Peggy, ǂd 1950- ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015



And more complicated ones such as:



Piglia, Ricardo. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 ǂs (Editorial Universidad de Talca)

Piglia, Ricardo. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 ǂs (Eterna Cadencia Editora)



Since Works. Selections is considered a work access point and not an expression point, when breaking a conflict with another collection that has the same collective title, the qualifier(s) should be put in paretheses and no subfielding is used in such a situation (work qualifiers are never preceded by subfield coding).



It doesn’t look like many NACO catalogers understand this from the disparity between the number of correctly coded records and the incorrectly coded ones.   Do we need somehow to do a better job of teaching this?  Do we need a project to clean up all the incorrectly coded Works. Selections RDA access points?  Or does it not matter?



Adam



Adam L. Schiff

Principal Cataloger

University of Washington Libraries

Box 352900

Seattle, WA 98195-2900

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(206) 543-8409

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