[Heb-NACO] [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date)

[Robert M. TALBOTT]

For what it's worth, as I understand it, parentheses are for works and
$f is for expressions.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Heidi G Lerner <lerner at stanford.edu> wrote:
> Yes!
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> Heidi G. Lerner
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> Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica
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> Metadata Dept.
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> Stanford University Libraries
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> Stanford, CA 94305-6004
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> ph: 650-725-9953
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> fax: 650-725-1120
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> e-mail: lerner at stanford.edu
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> ________________________________
> From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Jasmin
> Shinohara <jshino at pobox.upenn.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:28 PM
> To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
> Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date)
>
> See Stephen Hearn's email from yesterday (3:02PM), where he says:
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> "Yes, it would be more in keeping with MARC21 to add a date qualifier to
> subfield $p in parentheses without $f when it distinguishes the work being
> named.  In the MARC21 Bib Format under Heading Fields, X30, the text
> distinguishes between "date of publication" added to a uniform title field
> in subfield $f and "Date added parenthetically to distinguish between
> identical uniform titles" without separate subfield coding."
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> As I understand it, when added in parenthesis the date is needed as part of
> the access point for differentiation; in $f it's just added for the sake of
> extra information.
>
> Heidi, do I understand that correctly?
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> On 11/16/2015 1:56 PM, Judith Zupnick wrote:
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> What is the difference whether one records the date in subfield f or in
> parentheses?
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> From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Heidi G Lerner
> <lerner at stanford.edu>
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 8:44 AM
> To: HebNACO
> Subject: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date)
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> FYI
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: "Adam L. Schiff" <aschiff at UW.EDU>
> Date: November 13, 2015 at 4:03:49 PM EST
> To: <PCCLIST at LISTSERV.LOC.GOV>
> Subject: [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date)
> Reply-To: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <PCCLIST at LISTSERV.LOC.GOV>
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> I did a keyword search today in the OCLC authority file for titles
> containing the words works, selections, and 2015.  There are records like
> these:
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> Ashlag, Yehudah. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)
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> Dōgen, ǂd 1200-1253. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)
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> Jano, Jack. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)
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> Kook, Abraham Isaac, ǂd 1865-1935. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)
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> Lovecraft, H. P. ǂq (Howard Phillips), ǂd 1890-1937. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections
> (2015)
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>
> But many, many more records like these:
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> Austen, Jane, ǂd 1775-1817. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
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> Benjamin, Walter, ǂd 1892-1940. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
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> Chopin, Kate, ǂd 1850-1904. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
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> Jackson, Shirley, ǂd 1916-1965. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
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> Lawrence, D. H. ǂq (David Herbert), ǂd 1885-1930. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections.
> ǂf 2015
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> Madison, James, ǂd 1751-1836. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
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> Man Ray, ǂd 1890-1976. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
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> Noonan, Peggy, ǂd 1950- ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
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> And more complicated ones such as:
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> Piglia, Ricardo. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 ǂs (Editorial Universidad
> de Talca)
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> Piglia, Ricardo. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 ǂs (Eterna Cadencia
> Editora)
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>
> Since Works. Selections is considered a work access point and not an
> expression point, when breaking a conflict with another collection that has
> the same collective title, the qualifier(s) should be put in paretheses and
> no subfielding is used in such a situation (work qualifiers are never
> preceded by subfield coding).
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>
>
> It doesn’t look like many NACO catalogers understand this from the disparity
> between the number of correctly coded records and the incorrectly coded
> ones.   Do we need somehow to do a better job of teaching this?  Do we need
> a project to clean up all the incorrectly coded Works. Selections RDA access
> points?  Or does it not matter?
>
>
>
> Adam
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> Adam L. Schiff
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> Principal Cataloger
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> aschiff at uw.edu
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Bob Talbott

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UC Berkeley

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