[Heb-NACO] [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date)

Wed Nov 18 13:08:18 EST 2015

That is exactly right. 

The punctuation can be found in appendix E.

Heidi G. Lerner
Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica
Metadata Dept.
Stanford University Libraries
Stanford, CA 94305-6004
ph: 650-725-9953
fax: 650-725-1120
e-mail: lerner at stanford.edu

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From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford.edu at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Robert M. TALBOTT <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:27 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date)

For what it's worth, as I understand it, parentheses are for works and
$f is for expressions.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Heidi G Lerner <lerner at stanford.edu> wrote:
> Yes!
>
>
> Heidi G. Lerner
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> Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica
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> Metadata Dept.
>
> Stanford University Libraries
>
> Stanford, CA 94305-6004
>
> ph: 650-725-9953
>
> fax: 650-725-1120
>
> e-mail: lerner at stanford.edu
>
>
>
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> From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Jasmin
> Shinohara <jshino at pobox.upenn.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:28 PM
> To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
> Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date)
>
> See Stephen Hearn's email from yesterday (3:02PM), where he says:
>
> "Yes, it would be more in keeping with MARC21 to add a date qualifier to
> subfield $p in parentheses without $f when it distinguishes the work being
> named.  In the MARC21 Bib Format under Heading Fields, X30, the text
> distinguishes between "date of publication" added to a uniform title field
> in subfield $f and "Date added parenthetically to distinguish between
> identical uniform titles" without separate subfield coding."
>
> As I understand it, when added in parenthesis the date is needed as part of
> the access point for differentiation; in $f it's just added for the sake of
> extra information.
>
> Heidi, do I understand that correctly?
>
> On 11/16/2015 1:56 PM, Judith Zupnick wrote:
>
> What is the difference whether one records the date in subfield f or in
> parentheses?
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> From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Heidi G Lerner
> <lerner at stanford.edu>
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 8:44 AM
> To: HebNACO
> Subject: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date)
>
> FYI
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: "Adam L. Schiff" <aschiff at UW.EDU>
> Date: November 13, 2015 at 4:03:49 PM EST
> To: <PCCLIST at LISTSERV.LOC.GOV>
> Subject: [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date)
> Reply-To: Program for Cooperative Cataloging <PCCLIST at LISTSERV.LOC.GOV>
>
> I did a keyword search today in the OCLC authority file for titles
> containing the words works, selections, and 2015.  There are records like
> these:
>
>
>
> Ashlag, Yehudah. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)
>
> Dōgen, ǂd 1200-1253. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)
>
> Jano, Jack. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)
>
> Kook, Abraham Isaac, ǂd 1865-1935. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)
>
> Lovecraft, H. P. ǂq (Howard Phillips), ǂd 1890-1937. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections
> (2015)
>
>
>
> But many, many more records like these:
>
>
>
> Austen, Jane, ǂd 1775-1817. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
>
> Benjamin, Walter, ǂd 1892-1940. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
>
> Chopin, Kate, ǂd 1850-1904. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
>
> Jackson, Shirley, ǂd 1916-1965. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
>
> Lawrence, D. H. ǂq (David Herbert), ǂd 1885-1930. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections.
> ǂf 2015
>
> Madison, James, ǂd 1751-1836. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
>
> Man Ray, ǂd 1890-1976. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
>
> Noonan, Peggy, ǂd 1950- ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
>
>
>
> And more complicated ones such as:
>
>
>
> Piglia, Ricardo. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 ǂs (Editorial Universidad
> de Talca)
>
> Piglia, Ricardo. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 ǂs (Eterna Cadencia
> Editora)
>
>
>
> Since Works. Selections is considered a work access point and not an
> expression point, when breaking a conflict with another collection that has
> the same collective title, the qualifier(s) should be put in paretheses and
> no subfielding is used in such a situation (work qualifiers are never
> preceded by subfield coding).
>
>
>
> It doesn’t look like many NACO catalogers understand this from the disparity
> between the number of correctly coded records and the incorrectly coded
> ones.   Do we need somehow to do a better job of teaching this?  Do we need
> a project to clean up all the incorrectly coded Works. Selections RDA access
> points?  Or does it not matter?
>
>
>
> Adam
>
>
>
> Adam L. Schiff
>
> Principal Cataloger
>
> University of Washington Libraries
>
> Box 352900
>
> Seattle, WA 98195-2900
>
> aschiff at uw.edu
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> (206) 685-8782 fax
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Bob Talbott

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