[Heb-NACO] [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date)

Wed Nov 18 16:17:32 EST 2015

Perhaps I am missing something. I thought that RDA cataloging no longer used subfield f dates in uniform titles. So is the information below of historical interest only, or are $$f dates indeed being added?

           JR

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-----Original Message-----
From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jarovner=jtsa.edu at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Robert M. TALBOTT
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 12:27 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date)

For what it's worth, as I understand it, parentheses are for works and $f is for expressions.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 8:10 AM, Heidi G Lerner <lerner at stanford.edu> wrote:
> Yes!
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> Heidi G. Lerner
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> Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica
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> Metadata Dept.
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> Stanford University Libraries
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> Stanford, CA 94305-6004
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> From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Jasmin 
> Shinohara <jshino at pobox.upenn.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:28 PM
> To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
> Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date)
>
> See Stephen Hearn's email from yesterday (3:02PM), where he says:
>
> "Yes, it would be more in keeping with MARC21 to add a date qualifier 
> to subfield $p in parentheses without $f when it distinguishes the 
> work being named.  In the MARC21 Bib Format under Heading Fields, X30, 
> the text distinguishes between "date of publication" added to a 
> uniform title field in subfield $f and "Date added parenthetically to 
> distinguish between identical uniform titles" without separate subfield coding."
>
> As I understand it, when added in parenthesis the date is needed as 
> part of the access point for differentiation; in $f it's just added 
> for the sake of extra information.
>
> Heidi, do I understand that correctly?
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> On 11/16/2015 1:56 PM, Judith Zupnick wrote:
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> What is the difference whether one records the date in subfield f or 
> in parentheses?
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> From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Heidi G 
> Lerner <lerner at stanford.edu>
> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 8:44 AM
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> Subject: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date)
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> FYI
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> Begin forwarded message:
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> From: "Adam L. Schiff" <aschiff at UW.EDU>
> Date: November 13, 2015 at 4:03:49 PM EST
> To: <PCCLIST at LISTSERV.LOC.GOV>
> Subject: [PCCLIST] Works. Selections (Date)
> Reply-To: Program for Cooperative Cataloging 
> <PCCLIST at LISTSERV.LOC.GOV>
>
> I did a keyword search today in the OCLC authority file for titles 
> containing the words works, selections, and 2015.  There are records 
> like
> these:
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>
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> Ashlag, Yehudah. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)
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> Dōgen, ǂd 1200-1253. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)
>
> Jano, Jack. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)
>
> Kook, Abraham Isaac, ǂd 1865-1935. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2015)
>
> Lovecraft, H. P. ǂq (Howard Phillips), ǂd 1890-1937. ǂt Works. ǂk 
> Selections
> (2015)
>
>
>
> But many, many more records like these:
>
>
>
> Austen, Jane, ǂd 1775-1817. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
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> Benjamin, Walter, ǂd 1892-1940. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
>
> Chopin, Kate, ǂd 1850-1904. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
>
> Jackson, Shirley, ǂd 1916-1965. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
>
> Lawrence, D. H. ǂq (David Herbert), ǂd 1885-1930. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections.
> ǂf 2015
>
> Madison, James, ǂd 1751-1836. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
>
> Man Ray, ǂd 1890-1976. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
>
> Noonan, Peggy, ǂd 1950- ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015
>
>
>
> And more complicated ones such as:
>
>
>
> Piglia, Ricardo. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 ǂs (Editorial 
> Universidad de Talca)
>
> Piglia, Ricardo. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections. ǂf 2015 ǂs (Eterna Cadencia
> Editora)
>
>
>
> Since Works. Selections is considered a work access point and not an 
> expression point, when breaking a conflict with another collection 
> that has the same collective title, the qualifier(s) should be put in 
> paretheses and no subfielding is used in such a situation (work 
> qualifiers are never preceded by subfield coding).
>
>
>
> It doesn’t look like many NACO catalogers understand this from the 
> disparity between the number of correctly coded records and the incorrectly coded
> ones.   Do we need somehow to do a better job of teaching this?  Do we need
> a project to clean up all the incorrectly coded Works. Selections RDA 
> access points?  Or does it not matter?
>
>
>
> Adam
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>
>
> Adam L. Schiff
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