[Vwoolf] the four great Victorians?

Steve Posin steve_posin at yahoo.com
Wed Feb 18 02:01:58 EST 2015


Then perhaps HG Wells or Wilkie Collins  Steve Posin 415-921-3649 h415-596-8125 c   

     On Tuesday, February 17, 2015 12:38 PM, Caroline Webb <caroline.webb at newcastle.edu.au> wrote:
   
 

 #yiv0422927324 #yiv0422927324 -- _filtered #yiv0422927324 {font-family:Helvetica;panose-1:2 11 6 4 2 2 2 2 2 4;} _filtered #yiv0422927324 {panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv0422927324 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv0422927324 {font-family:Verdana;panose-1:2 11 6 4 3 5 4 4 2 4;}#yiv0422927324 #yiv0422927324 p.yiv0422927324MsoNormal, #yiv0422927324 li.yiv0422927324MsoNormal, #yiv0422927324 div.yiv0422927324MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:12.0pt;}#yiv0422927324 a:link, #yiv0422927324 span.yiv0422927324MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0422927324 a:visited, #yiv0422927324 span.yiv0422927324MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0422927324 span.yiv0422927324EmailStyle17 {color:#1F497D;}#yiv0422927324 .yiv0422927324MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered #yiv0422927324 {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;}#yiv0422927324 div.yiv0422927324WordSection1 {}#yiv0422927324 Orlando is a poet, and much of the talk about “great Victorian writers” in the ‘20s would have been about poetry.  Tennyson and Browning with Dickens and Trollope, perhaps?    The issue isn’t so much who Woolf herself would have thought was great—it’s who her contemporaries were lauding at the time, which may include people we don’t think about (as Orlando indicates).      I like the point aboutEminent Victorians.    Caroline    From: Vwoolf [mailto:vwoolf-bounces+caroline.webb=newcastle.edu.au at lists.osu.edu]On Behalf Of Sarah M. Hall
Sent: Wednesday, 18 February 2015 5:52 AM
To: Anne Fernald; vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] the four great Victorians?    I'm not convinced she had four particular Victorian literary figures in mind; could it be an ironic reference to Lytton Strachey's Eminent Victorians, i.e. Cardinal Manning, Florence Nightingale, Thomas Arnold and General Gordon? Although of course they're not writers. So readers can take their pick. Dickens would probably have to be one of the four; otherwise it's a free-for-all; probably no women though, not even George Eliot.    Sarah M. Hall VWSGB 

 
From: Anne Fernald <fernald at fordham.edu>
To: "vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu" <vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2015, 3:15
Subject: [Vwoolf] the four great Victorians?    A facebook friend asks whom Orlando refers to when mentioning the four great writers of the Victorian age. I realize I don't know, nor do I really understand the paragraph. How do you read this?     As a reference to four novelists (she's just had volumes and volumes delivered) (e.g. Dickens, Trollope, Thackeray, and....who? Hardy)? Or as a joke about the way we name an era's greats with certainty? Or....? It seems almost certainly NOT to be the four women of A Room of One's Own (Austen, Brontë, Brontë, Eliot)....    "Accustomed to the little literatures of the sixteenth, seventeenth, and eighteenth centuries, Orlando was appalled by the consequences of her order. For, of course, to the Victorians themselves Victorian literature meant not merely four great names separate and distinct but four great names sunk and embedded in a mass of Alexander Smiths, Dixons, Blacks, Milmans, Buckles, Taines, Paynes, Tuppers, Jamesons--all vocal, clamorous, prominent, and requiring as much attention as anybody else. Orlando's reverence for print had a tough job set before it but drawing her chair to the window to get the benefit of what light might filter between the high houses of Mayfair, she tried to come to a conclusion." 
    -- Anne E. Fernald Mrs. Dalloway, now available from Cambridge UP 
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