[Vwoolf] the four great Victorians?

[Andre Gerard]

Carlyle would also be a strong candidate.

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Caroline Webb <
caroline.webb at newcastle.edu.au> wrote:

>  Orlando is a poet, and much of the talk about “great Victorian writers”
> in the ‘20s would have been about poetry.  Tennyson and Browning with
> Dickens and Trollope, perhaps?
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> The issue isn’t so much who Woolf herself would have thought was
> great—it’s who her contemporaries were lauding at the time, which may
> include people we don’t think about (as Orlando indicates).
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> I like the point about *Eminent Victorians*.
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> Caroline
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> *From:* Vwoolf [mailto:vwoolf-bounces+caroline.webb=
> newcastle.edu.au at lists.osu.edu] *On Behalf Of *Sarah M. Hall
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 18 February 2015 5:52 AM
> *To:* Anne Fernald; vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] the four great Victorians?
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> I'm not convinced she had four particular Victorian literary figures in
> mind; could it be an ironic reference to Lytton Strachey's Eminent
> Victorians, i.e. Cardinal Manning, Florence Nightingale, Thomas Arnold and
> General Gordon? Although of course they're not writers. So readers can take
> their pick. Dickens would probably have to be one of the four; otherwise
> it's a free-for-all; probably no women though, not even George Eliot.
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> Sarah M. Hall
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> VWSGB
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> *From:* Anne Fernald <fernald at fordham.edu>
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> *Sent:* Tuesday, 17 February 2015, 3:15
> *Subject:* [Vwoolf] the four great Victorians?
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> A facebook friend asks whom Orlando refers to when mentioning the four
> great writers of the Victorian age. I realize I don't know, nor do I really
> understand the paragraph. How do you read this?
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> As a reference to four novelists (she's just had volumes and volumes
> delivered) (e.g. Dickens, Trollope, Thackeray, and....who? Hardy)? Or as a
> joke about the way we name an era's greats with certainty? Or....? It seems
> almost certainly NOT to be the four women of A Room of One's Own (Austen,
> Brontë, Brontë, Eliot)....
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> "Accustomed to the little literatures of the sixteenth, seventeenth, and
> eighteenth centuries, Orlando was appalled by the consequences of her
> order. For, of course, to the Victorians themselves Victorian literature
> meant not merely four great names separate and distinct but four great
> names sunk and embedded in a mass of Alexander Smiths, Dixons, Blacks,
> Milmans, Buckles, Taines, Paynes, Tuppers, Jamesons--all vocal, clamorous,
> prominent, and requiring as much attention as anybody else. Orlando's
> reverence for print had a tough job set before it but drawing her chair to
> the window to get the benefit of what light might filter between the high
> houses of Mayfair, she tried to come to a conclusion."
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