[Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"

CAROLINE WEBB caroline.webb at newcastle.edu.au
Thu Oct 24 23:20:31 EDT 2013


As an Antipodean, I distinguish between "imply" and infer" and attempt to make my students do so.  It's difficult!

Re "interred"/"interned": I have always had difficulty with the word "careened," which I understood from my early reading to mean "cleaned [of a ship]," but which, at least in America, appears to be used to mean "careered."
Caroline
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I’ve always wondered how many errors there are in the 1948 Pan edn of “The Years” – made and printed in France – but I’ve never cared enough to check.

Stuart

From: ANNE Fernald [Staff/Faculty [A&S]]<mailto:fernald at fordham.edu>
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appallingly copyedited.

I cannot write without erring.

All apologies.


On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:48 AM, ANNE Fernald [Staff/Faculty [A&S]] <fernald at fordham.edu<mailto:fernald at fordham.edu>> wrote:
Seven years ago, my book was appallingly copyediting, outsourced to India (where language rules differ from American or British usage). Since then, I've despaired of the kind of care that one used to rely on. I make many errors. I couldn't get any writing done at all if I were super persnickety with myself whilst drafting. Unfortunately, errors made while composing tend to persist, and there is no longer a stage where one can rely on an editor.

My father is a retired tax lawyer. He made his living catching tiny details. I now rely on him to catch my (many) errors and infelicities.

We all should be so lucky.


On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Diana Swanson <dswanson at niu.edu<mailto:dswanson at niu.edu>> wrote:
I have noticed more and more such mistakes in scholarly books and text books over the last few years; I think that publishers have laid off too many editors and copy-editors. The causes? Probably in large part the consolidation of publishing companies, the pressure for quarterly profits, and the cutting of university budgets (especially state universities) so that university presses are being starved of funds.

>>> Mark Hussey <mhussey at verizon.net<mailto:mhussey at verizon.net>> 10/24/2013 8:25 AM >>>
"Too fussy" might be a euphemism for "able to use words correctly."

From: vwoolf-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu<mailto:vwoolf-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu> [mailto:vwoolf-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu<mailto:vwoolf-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>] On Behalf Of Sarah M. Hall
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There was an interview on Radio 4 yesterday with a Scotsman who thinks that we are all too fussy about English grammar, and that phrases such as 'most beautifullest' are quite acceptable because Shakespeare used these constructions. The opposing view was that Shakespeare was writing poetry. Downward spiral?


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Of course, we all make mistakes, but there's just no end to failures in copy-editing.

There's something just not quite right about:

"This great church ... is crowned by the second largest Roman dome after St Peter's."

In his TV show, Dave Gorman pointed out the faux spectrum, as in something like "She has taken all the great tragic roles, from Ophelia to the Duchess of Malfi".

Stuart

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And another one. In the last week I have seen "interred" used where "interned" was correct, and vice-versa. Thus people of Japanese descent were interred during WW2, and the body was interned after the funeral.

Jeremy H
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The 2 words are quite different, but I admit that I have to concentrate when typing them to make sure I've chosen the right one!  I don't think they have (yet?) become interchangeable.

Unlike "imply" and "infer": in the Antipodes, even in scientific papers, the words are used interchangeably, although I was surprised to find the use as early as 1931, e.g.:

M. H. C., 'The Scheme of Things', NZ Evening Post, Vol. CXII, No. 112 (7 November 1931), 9: '"Oxbridge" . plainly infers [sic] Oxford'; http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP19311107.2.40.1

Stuart

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Subject: [Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"

Hi, everyone,

I have been a bit bugged by seeing "principle" when the word has to be "principal."
I saw that happening in doctoral dissertations and (in a few cases) articles from well-known journals, or even books from good publishers.

And this afternoon, from Heidegger's Kant and the Problem of Metaphysics (Indiana UP, 1997), I found:

"Thus the knowledge of beings in general (Metaphysica Generalis) and the knowledge of its principle divisions (Metaphysica Specialis) become a "science established on the basis of mere reason."" (6).

And now I wonder, has "principle" been accepted as an alternate spelling of "principal"? Only I haven't been aware of it?
Dictionaries I use don't have such information. Has anyone else wondered about this?


Sunjoo
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