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As an Antipodean, I distinguish between "imply" and infer" and attempt to make my students do so. It's difficult!<br>
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Re "interred"/"interned": I have always had difficulty with the word "careened," which I understood from my early reading to mean "cleaned [of a ship]," but which, at least in America, appears to be used to mean "careered."<br>
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<div>I’ve always wondered how many errors there are in the 1948 Pan edn of “The Years” – made and printed in France – but I’ve never cared enough to check.</div>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 24, 2013 2:48 PM</div>
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<div dir="ltr">appallingly <i>copyedited</i>. <br>
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<div>I cannot write without erring. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:48 AM, ANNE Fernald [Staff/Faculty [A&S]]
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<div dir="ltr">Seven years ago, my book was appallingly copyediting, outsourced to India (where language rules differ from American or British usage). Since then, I've despaired of the kind of care that one used to rely on. I make many errors. I couldn't get
any writing done at all if I were super persnickety with myself whilst drafting. Unfortunately, errors made while composing tend to persist, and there is no longer a stage where one can rely on an editor.
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<div>My father is a retired tax lawyer. He made his living catching tiny details. I now rely on him to catch my (many) errors and infelicities.
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<div>We all should be so lucky.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Diana Swanson <span dir="ltr">
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<div style="font:10pt segoe ui; margin:4px 4px 1px" lang="EN-US">I have noticed more and more such mistakes in scholarly books and text books over the last few years; I think that publishers have laid off too many editors and copy-editors. The causes? Probably
in large part the consolidation of publishing companies, the pressure for quarterly profits, and the cutting of university budgets (especially state universities) so that university presses are being starved of funds.<br>
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>>> Mark Hussey <<a href="mailto:mhussey@verizon.net" target="_blank">mhussey@verizon.net</a>> 10/24/2013 8:25 AM >>><br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sarah M. Hall<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> Re: [Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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during WW2, and the body was interned after the funeral.<br>
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of Stuart N. Clarke [<a href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com" target="_blank">stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 24 October 2013 11:51<br>
<b>To:</b> woolf list<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'">Unlike "imply" and "infer": in the Antipodes, even in scientific papers, the words are used interchangeably, although I was surprised to find the use as early as
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:'Gulim','sans-serif'">I have been a bit bugged by seeing "principle" when the word has to be "principal."
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:'Gulim','sans-serif'">I saw that happening in doctoral dissertations and (in a few cases) articles from well-known journals, or even books from good publishers.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:'Gulim','sans-serif'">And now I wonder, has "principle" been accepted as an alternate spelling of "principal"? Only I haven't been aware of it?
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