[Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"

Fri Oct 25 00:14:48 EDT 2013

Yes: in the US "careeneed" really only ever means a kind of out of control,
breakneck forward movement in my experience.

Weird, in light of interred/interned to reflect that "careered" is not, in
fact, a verbal form of the profession one hopes to enter after embarking on
an internship.

On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:20 PM, CAROLINE WEBB <
caroline.webb at newcastle.edu.au> wrote:

>  As an Antipodean, I distinguish between "imply" and infer" and attempt
> to make my students do so.  It's difficult!
>
> Re "interred"/"interned": I have always had difficulty with the word
> "careened," which I understood from my early reading to mean "cleaned [of a
> ship]," but which, at least in America, appears to be used to mean
> "careered."
> Caroline
>  ------------------------------
> *From:* vwoolf-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu <
> vwoolf-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu> on behalf of Stuart N.
> Clarke <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>
> *Sent:* 25 October 2013 09:12
>
> *To:* woolf list
> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"
>
>   I’ve always wondered how many errors there are in the 1948 Pan edn of
> “The Years” – made and printed in France – but I’ve never cared enough to
> check.
>
> Stuart
>
>  *From:* ANNE Fernald [Staff/Faculty [A&S]] <fernald at fordham.edu>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 2:48 PM
> *To:* Diana Swanson <dswanson at niu.edu>
> *Cc:* list', 'woolf <VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"
>
>  appallingly *copyedited*.
>
> I cannot write without erring.
>
> All apologies.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:48 AM, ANNE Fernald [Staff/Faculty [A&S]] <
> fernald at fordham.edu> wrote:
>
>> Seven years ago, my book was appallingly copyediting, outsourced to India
>> (where language rules differ from American or British usage). Since then,
>> I've despaired of the kind of care that one used to rely on. I make many
>> errors. I couldn't get any writing done at all if I were super persnickety
>> with myself whilst drafting. Unfortunately, errors made while composing
>> tend to persist, and there is no longer a stage where one can rely on an
>> editor.
>>
>> My father is a retired tax lawyer. He made his living catching tiny
>> details. I now rely on him to catch my (many) errors and infelicities.
>>
>> We all should be so lucky.
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Diana Swanson <dswanson at niu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I have noticed more and more such mistakes in scholarly books and text
>>> books over the last few years; I think that publishers have laid off too
>>> many editors and copy-editors. The causes? Probably in large part the
>>> consolidation of publishing companies, the pressure for quarterly profits,
>>> and the cutting of university budgets (especially state universities) so
>>> that university presses are being starved of funds.
>>>
>>> >>> Mark Hussey <mhussey at verizon.net> 10/24/2013 8:25 AM >>>
>>>
>>> "Too fussy" might be a euphemism for "able to use words correctly." ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> *From:* vwoolf-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu [mailto:
>>> vwoolf-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu] *On Behalf Of *Sarah M.
>>> Hall
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:40 AM
>>> *To:* Stuart N. Clarke; woolf list
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> There was an interview on Radio 4 yesterday with a Scotsman who thinks
>>> that we are all too fussy about English grammar, and that phrases such as
>>> 'most beautifullest' are quite acceptable because Shakespeare used these
>>> constructions. The opposing view was that Shakespeare was writing poetry.
>>> Downward spiral?****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>>     ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* Stuart N. Clarke <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>
>>> *To:* woolf list <VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, 24 October 2013, 11:33
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Of course, we all make mistakes, but there's just no end to failures in
>>> copy-editing.****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> There's something just not quite right about:****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> "This great church ... is crowned by the second largest Roman dome after
>>> St Peter's."****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> In his TV show, Dave Gorman pointed out the faux spectrum, as in
>>> something like "She has taken all the great tragic roles, from Ophelia to
>>> the Duchess of Malfi".****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Stuart****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn <jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no> ****
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:17 AM****
>>>
>>> *To:* Stuart N. Clarke <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com> ; woolf list<VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> And another one. In the last week I have seen "interred" used where
>>> "interned" was correct, and vice-versa. Thus people of Japanese descent
>>> were interred during WW2, and the body was interned after the funeral.
>>>
>>> Jeremy H****
>>>     ------------------------------
>>>
>>> *From:* vwoolf-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu [
>>> vwoolf-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu] on behalf of Stuart N.
>>> Clarke [stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com]
>>> *Sent:* 24 October 2013 11:51
>>> *To:* woolf list
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"****
>>>
>>> The 2 words are quite different, but I admit that I have to concentrate
>>> when typing them to make sure I've chosen the right one!  I don't think
>>> they have (yet?) become interchangeable.****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Unlike "imply" and "infer": in the Antipodes, even in scientific papers,
>>> the words are used interchangeably, although I was surprised to find the
>>> use as early as 1931, e.g.:****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> M. H. C., 'The Scheme of Things', NZ *Evening Post*, Vol. CXII, No. 112
>>> (7 November 1931), 9: '"Oxbridge" . plainly infers [*sic*] Oxford';
>>> http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP19311107.2.40.1
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Stuart****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> *From:* Sunjoo Lee <abgrund at naver.com> ****
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:38 AM****
>>>
>>> *To:* woolf list <VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu> ****
>>>
>>> *Subject:* [Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Hi, everyone,  ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> I have been a bit bugged by seeing "principle" when the word has to be
>>> "principal." ****
>>>
>>> I saw that happening in doctoral dissertations and (in a few cases)
>>> articles from well-known journals, or even books from good publishers. *
>>> ***
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> And this afternoon, from Heidegger's *Kant and the Problem of
>>> Metaphysics* (Indiana UP, 1997), I found: ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> "Thus the knowledge of beings in general (*Metaphysica Generalis*) and
>>> the knowledge of its principle divisions (*Metaphysica Specialis*)
>>> become a "science established on the basis of mere reason."" (6). ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> And now I wonder, has "principle" been accepted as an alternate spelling
>>> of "principal"? Only I haven't been aware of it? ****
>>>
>>> Dictionaries I use don't have such information. Has anyone else wondered
>>> about this? ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> ****
>>>
>>> Sunjoo ****
>>>
>>> ****
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>> Director of Writing/Composition at Lincoln Center,
>> Associate Professor of English<http://www.fordham.edu/academics/programs_at_fordham_/english/index.asp>and Women's
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> Anne E. Fernald<http://www.fordham.edu/academics/programs_at_fordham_/english/faculty/english_faculty/anne_fernald_28537.asp>
> Director of Writing/Composition at Lincoln Center,
> Associate Professor of English<http://www.fordham.edu/academics/programs_at_fordham_/english/index.asp>and Women's
> Studies <http://www.fordham.edu/womens_studies>
> Fordham University
> 113 W 60th St.
> New York NY 10023
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> 212/636-7613
> fernald at fordham.edu
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