[Vwoolf] Darlings, am I a snob?
Jean Mallinson
annaj at telus.net
Mon Sep 17 12:57:41 EDT 2012
I have been following this discussion marginally and can't help
interjecting that "refeened" does not at all describe the Quebecois, who
regularly insult the Royal Family on their home ground. As a Canadian,
I still cringe at the collective noun "a Colonial" , as though we were
all the same, distinguished only by the fact that we are not "British".
The Colonial might be "Canadian". A Canadian I know got into a fight in
a pub in the UK decades later for insulting Lord Mountbatten -- in this
instance because of the Dieppe Raid.
Jean Mallinson
On 9/17/2012 12:17 AM, Stuart N. Clarke wrote:
> It seems to me significant that VW made the change from "a Colonial
> insulted the Royal family" in "The Prime Minister" ("Complete Shorter
> Fiction", 1989, App. B) to "a Colonial insulted the House of Windsor"
> in "Mrs. Dalloway".
> Stuart
> *From:* Stuart N. Clarke <mailto:stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:29 PM
> *To:* vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu
> <mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] Darlings, am I a snob?
> I too tend to think Australian. Perhaps the Quebecois are more
> refeened, as Mrs Manresa would say (her grandfather may have been
> "exported" to Tasmania). Rather than colonial republicanism, I was
> thinking more along the lines of: "They're a load of bloody Krauts,
> the whole lot of 'em".
> Stuart
> *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn <mailto:jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no>
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:55 PM
> *To:* Stuart N. Clarke <mailto:stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com> ;
> vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu
> <mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>
> *Subject:* RE: [Vwoolf] Darlings, am I a snob?
> Hmm, not sure about that, Stuart. "In a public-house in a back street
> a Colonial insulted the House of Windsor, which led to words, broken
> beer glasses, and a general shindy ...". I find it hard to believe
> that a comment along the lines of "They should never have changed the
> name to Windsor, bloody silly name if you ask me" would evoke such a
> response. More likely that it is Virginia who is being careful, not
> wanting to state directly that anyone would insult the monarch. In a
> posting a few years back I admitted that I always assumed that the
> Colonial was an Australian, but he (presumably it is he) could also
> have come from Quebec . . .
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> *From:* vwoolf-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu
> [vwoolf-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu] on behalf of Stuart N.
> Clarke [stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com]
> *Sent:* 16 September 2012 10:39
> *To:* vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu
> *Subject:* [Vwoolf] Darlings, am I a snob?
>
> I think it's reasonable to assume that this is another wartime ref.
> The colonial doesn't insult the monarchy but the "House of Windsor" --
> a madey-uppy name created in 1917 to try to reassure the public that
> the Guelphs (as VW tended to call them) were really British.
> For various reasons, this year has slipped out of my grasp. And I was
> *so* looking forward to getting my hands on the Duke of Cambridge.
> (No, not the new one.)
> Stuart
> *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn <mailto:jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no>
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 15, 2012 9:14 PM
> *To:* vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu
> <mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] Darlings, am I a snob?
> Also in Mrs Dalloway, doesn't a "colonial" insult the House of Windsor?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* vwoolf-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu
> [vwoolf-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu] on behalf of Andrea
> [andrea.adolph at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 15 September 2012 21:17
> *To:* vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] Darlings, am I a snob?
>
> And now I see on Facebook that Persephone Books has bought and made
> cushions from a fabric purchased at Charleston--it's called "Queen
> Mary" and is a Duncan Grant print.
>
> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Stuart N. Clarke
> <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com
> <mailto:stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>> wrote:
>
> Swoon . . .
>
> As I say, there's much more to be done. Princess Mary pops up in
> "Mrs. Dalloway" as a symbol of the post-war world, because she is
> "married to an Englishman".
>
> Stuart
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Adolphe Haberer
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 4:42 PM
> To: Stuart N. Clarke ; vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu
> <mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Darlings, am I a snob?
>
>
> If Stuart wants to include VW's fiction in his
> research, there is a discreet and rather elegant
> reference to the Royal Family in chapter V of
> Jacob's Room:
>
> "The autumn season was in full swing. Tristan was twitching his rug up
> under his armpits twice a week; Isolde waved her scarf in miraculous
> sympathy with the conductor's baton. In all parts of the house were to
> be found pink faces and glittering breasts. When a Royal hand attached
> to an invisible body slipped out and withdrew the red and white
> bouquet
> reposing on the scarlet ledge, the Queen of England seemed a name
> worth
> dying for."
>
> Ado
>
>
>
>
> We really must do more research on VW and the Royal Family.
>
> In "Street Haunting", when the narrator imagines being in
> Mayfair, she concludes her reverie with "watching the moonlit
> cat creep along Princess Mary's garden wall" (The Essays, Vol.
> IV, p. 486).
>
> Princess Mary and her husband Lord Lascelles did indeed live
> in Mayfair, in Chesterfield House -- "where the famous letters
> were penned" (Ward, Lock Guide to London, 1934, p. 129. It
> was on the corner of South Audley Street and Curzon Street,
> and was demolished in 1937.
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary,_Princess_Royal_and_Countess_of_Harewood>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary,_Princess_Royal_and_Countess_of_Harewood
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesterfield_House,_Westminster>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chesterfield_House,_Westminster
>
> Another footnote is required.
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
> --
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