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I have been following this discussion marginally and can't help
interjecting that "refeened" does not at all describe the Quebecois,
who regularly insult the Royal Family on their home ground. As a
Canadian, I still cringe at the collective noun "a Colonial" , as
though we were all the same, distinguished only by the fact that we
are not "British". The Colonial might be "Canadian". A Canadian I
know got into a fight in a pub in the UK decades later for insulting
Lord Mountbatten -- in this instance because of the Dieppe Raid.<br>
Jean Mallinson
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/17/2012 12:17 AM, Stuart N. Clarke
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<div>It seems to me significant that VW made the change from
“a Colonial insulted the Royal family” in “The Prime
Minister” (“Complete Shorter Fiction”, 1989, App. B) to “a
Colonial insulted the House of Windsor” in “Mrs. Dalloway”.</div>
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 16, 2012 1:29 PM</div>
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<div>I too tend to think Australian. Perhaps the
Quebecois are more refeened, as Mrs Manresa would say
(her grandfather may have been “exported” to
Tasmania). Rather than colonial republicanism, I was
thinking more along the lines of: “They’re a load of
bloody Krauts, the whole lot of ‘em”.</div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 16, 2012 12:55
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: tahoma; DIRECTION: ltr;
COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">Hmm, not sure about
that, Stuart. "In a public-house in a back street a
Colonial insulted the House of Windsor, which led to
words, broken beer glasses, and a general shindy
...". I find it hard to believe that a comment along
the lines of "They should never have changed the
name to Windsor, bloody silly name if you ask me"
would evoke such a response. More likely that it is
Virginia who is being careful, not wanting to state
directly that anyone would insult the monarch. In a
posting a few years back I admitted that I always
assumed that the Colonial was an Australian, but he
(presumably it is he) could also have come from
Quebec . . .<br>
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<div>I think it’s reasonable to assume that
this is another wartime ref. The colonial
doesn’t insult the monarchy but the “House
of Windsor” – a madey-uppy name created in
1917 to try to reassure the public that
the Guelphs (as VW tended to call them)
were really British.</div>
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<div>For various reasons, this year has
slipped out of my grasp. And I was *so*
looking forward to getting my hands on the
Duke of Cambridge.</div>
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<div>(No, not the new one.)</div>
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doesn't a "colonial" insult the House of
Windsor?<br>
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<div>And now I see on Facebook that
Persephone Books has bought and made
cushions from a fabric purchased at
Charleston--it's called "Queen Mary"
and is a Duncan Grant print.<br>
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15, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Stuart N.
Clarke <span dir="ltr"><<a
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class="gmail_quote">Swoon . . .<br>
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As I say, there's much more to
be done. Princess Mary pops up
in "Mrs. Dalloway" as a symbol
of the post-war world, because
she is "married to an
Englishman".<br>
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Stuart<br>
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Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Darlings,
am I a snob?
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<br>
If Stuart wants to include
VW's fiction in his<br>
research, there is a
discreet and rather elegant<br>
reference to the Royal
Family in chapter V of<br>
Jacob's Room:<br>
<br>
"The autumn season was in
full swing. Tristan was
twitching his rug up<br>
under his armpits twice a
week; Isolde waved her scarf
in miraculous<br>
sympathy with the
conductor's baton. In all
parts of the house were to<br>
be found pink faces and
glittering breasts. When a
Royal hand attached<br>
to an invisible body slipped
out and withdrew the red and
white bouquet<br>
reposing on the scarlet
ledge, the Queen of England
seemed a name worth<br>
dying for."<br>
<br>
Ado<br>
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1ex" class="gmail_quote">We
really must do more
research on VW and the
Royal Family.<br>
<br>
In "Street Haunting", when
the narrator imagines
being in Mayfair, she
concludes her reverie with
"watching the moonlit cat
creep along Princess
Mary's garden wall" (The
Essays, Vol. IV, p. 486).<br>
<br>
Princess Mary and her
husband Lord Lascelles did
indeed live in Mayfair, in
Chesterfield House --
"where the famous letters
were penned" (Ward, Lock
Guide to London, 1934, p.
129. It was on the corner
of South Audley Street and
Curzon Street, and was
demolished in 1937.<br>
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Another footnote is
required.<br>
<br>
Stuart<br>
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