[Heb-NACO] Romanisation of בביזנטיון

Tue Jul 25 15:12:17 EDT 2023

Thanks Yossi. Such a cute story!  Loved it and was laughing out loud all by myself after my volunteer shift
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Well, I don’t agree with the notion that we have to transcribe the non-Hebrew names according to the rules of the Hebrew language.

A search in the OCLC database found 1266 hits for “be-Polin” (of those there are 146 records from the Library of Congress) and 140 hits for “be-Folin” (of those there are 2 records from LC).

Hebrew place name (Bene Berak, Berit ha-mo’atsot, etc.) should be transcribed according to the Hebrew grammar rules (i.e bi-Vene Berak, bi-Verit ha-moatsot, etc.)

That reminds me on the story about the discussion in the Israeli Kenesset in the 1950s when Rabbi Fishman of the Mafdal party  complained that the government does not encourage the use of proper grammatical rules, especially a case of Dagesh in the letters Bet, Gimel, Dalet, Kaf, Peh and Tav when they are at the beginning of a word. David Ben Gurion answered – “Mar Pishman tsodek”, and that ended the discussion.

Yossi

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Hi Vanessa, Grammatically speaking, I would Romanize it as be-Vizant. yun. It is a foreign loan word. However, that said, in check in our database for בברוקלין (in Brooklyn), I found the Romanization as bi-Bruḳlin. However, that said I also

Hi Vanessa,

Grammatically speaking, I would Romanize it as be-Vizant.yun. It is a foreign loan word. However, that said, in check in our database for בברוקלין (in Brooklyn), I found the Romanization as bi-Bruḳlin. However, that said I also search for בבני ברק and found bi-Vene Berak. My inclination would be to have the B instead of a V, for the sake of searching, similar to the idea of how we Romanize בירושלים as bi-Yerushalayim instead of birushalayim.

My 3.37 cents.

Best,

Haim

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How would you Romanise בביזנטיון (in Byzantium)? I would think be-Vizanṭyon but OCLC 1378074102 has be-Bizanṭyon. Would you retain the B after be- because it’s a foreign loan word? Thanks Vanessa Vanessa Freedman Subject Liaison Librarian: 

How would you Romanise  בביזנטיון (in Byzantium)? I would think be-Vizanṭyon but OCLC 1378074102 has be-Bizanṭyon. Would you retain the B after be- because it’s a foreign loan word?

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