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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Well, I don’t agree with the notion that we have to transcribe the non-Hebrew names according to the rules of the Hebrew language.</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">A search in the OCLC database found 1266 hits for “be-Polin” (of those there are 146 records from the Library of Congress) and 140 hits for “be-Folin” (of those there are 2 records from LC).</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hebrew place name (Bene Berak, Berit ha-mo’atsot, etc.) should be transcribed according to the Hebrew grammar rules (i.e bi-Vene Berak, bi-Verit ha-moatsot, etc.)</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">That reminds me on the story about the discussion in the Israeli Kenesset in the 1950s when Rabbi Fishman of the Mafdal party complained that the government does not encourage the use of proper grammatical
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gottschalk, Haim via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 25, 2023 9:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Freedman, Vanessa <v.freedman@ucl.ac.uk>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Romanisation of <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">בביזנטיון</span></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:1.0pt; color:white">Hi Vanessa, Grammatically speaking, I would Romanize it as be-Vizant. yun. It is a foreign loan word. However, that said, in check in our database for
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">בברוקלין</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> (in Brooklyn), I found the Romanization as bi-Bruḳlin. However, that said I also
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi Vanessa,</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Grammatically speaking, I would Romanize it as be-Vizant.yun. It is a foreign loan word. However, that said, in check in our database for
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">בברוקלין</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt">
</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>(in Brooklyn), I found the Romanization as bi-Bruḳlin. However, that said I also search for
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">בבני ברק</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">and found bi-Vene Berak. My inclination would be to have the B instead of a V, for the sake of searching, similar to the idea of how we Romanize
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">בירושלים</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">as bi-Yerushalayim instead of birushalayim.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:1.0pt; color:white">How would you Romanise
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">בביזנטיון </span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>(in Byzantium)? I would think be-Vizanṭyon but OCLC 1378074102 has be-Bizanṭyon. Would you retain the B after be- because
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</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>(in Byzantium)? I would think be-Vizanṭyon but OCLC 1378074102 has be-Bizanṭyon. Would you retain the B after be- because it’s
a foreign loan word?</span></p>
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