[Heb-NACO] Romanisation of בביזנטיון

[Heidi G Lerner]

This is an interesting discussion:


Her is my take:

Jamsin, the examples you listed are “constructs” of two nouns connected together, and when the first word of the construct ends with a long vowel, the following  letter, (in this case, the first letter of the second word), loses its dagesh, like it would within a single word.  I’m not one hundred percent sure if this happens consistently; there may be exceptions, but I believe this is the answer.
Unfortuantely, I could not find this documented anywhere. Cliff, or our other noted grammarians, could you please weigh in on my theory or take it one step further.

Heidi G. Lerner
Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Emerita, Stanford University Libraries




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Hi, Cliff. Yes, technically and ideally, you are correct. But expecting catalogers to know when a second word should aspirated would be expecting a knowledge of Hebrew grammar that is unrealistic for almost all of us. We suffice with knowledge

Hi, Cliff.



Yes, technically and ideally, you are correct. But expecting catalogers to know when a second word should aspirated would be expecting a knowledge of Hebrew grammar that is unrealistic for almost all of us. We suffice with knowledge of prefixes/little words and their impact on בג"ד כפ"ת/beged kefet, i.e., that it is correctly romanized bi-Vene.



Exceptions areמראה כהן  and שפתי כהן, Marʼeh Khohen and Śifte Khohen, respectively, which are from a piyut and a pasuk, respectively, so we try to follow the sources. But there are still plenty of records with Marʼeh/Śifte K/kohen…





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Did I overlook an obvious answer? I do not recall seeing anyone who suggested Bi-Vene Verak Ki-Vene Verak Li-Vene Verak Mi-Bene Verak Shouldn’t this be the accepted form? Rabbi Clifford B Miller, MLS, DD Home: [973] 228-3139 Library of the

Did I overlook an obvious answer?

I do not recall seeing anyone who suggested

Bi-Vene Verak

Ki-Vene Verak

Li-Vene Verak

Mi-Bene Verak



Shouldn’t this be the accepted form?



Rabbi Clifford B Miller, MLS, DD   Home: [973] 228-3139

Library of the Jewish Theological Seminary


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