[Heb-NACO] בגלל

[Galron, Joseph]

I have another 51 years to 120 to retire ….

Yossi

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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] בגלל

So much needs to change, we have a life’s work ahead of us!

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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] בגלל

So then why did we decide to change practice with the 10 words below? If we strive for accuracy and consistency, something needs to change.

From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn.edu at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] בגלל

I checked  previous editions of ES and their also was a refrence to Gelal or Shevil
It is not a change from previous editions of the Dictionary.

I don’t agree that it is wrong.  I wouldn’t change it.

Yossi

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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] בגלל

Folks:

I have to say that I'm in Yosi's camp. A vote for "bi-gelal" is a vote for sanity.

B

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 1:23 PM Neil Manel Frau-Cortes via Heb-naco <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
I agree with Jasmin.


Neil

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 4:20 PM Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
I hear the concern, Yossi, but I’m afraid we’ve already started down the proverbial slope. Per the FAQ<http://rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/109347700/Romanization%20FAQ>, we’ve agreed to romanize the words as

Bediʻavad
Bahem
Bilvad
Kaʻet
Kefi
Levad
Lemaʻan
Lefi
Mimeni
Sheli

No one can argue for Shvil since the sheva na’ at the beginning of a word requires it to be Shevil. No one can argue for Birushalayim because there is no E-Sh. entry for the compound.

So do I hear consensus on Biglal (and Bishvil – when it means “because/on behalf of”; otherwise bi/ba-shevil when it means “on a/the path)?

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It is “dangerous” going to Biglal or Bishvil – tomorrow we will say: If it is Bishvil so why not change it to Shvil
We also Romanize בירושלים  to “Bi-Yerushalayim” and not to “Birushalayim”

Yossi



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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] בגלל

Hi, Haim, bi-gelal would be correct if the ב is considered a prefix to the word גלל. But since there is a direct entry for the word as a whole, I’m asking if we should romanize it as a whole word instead of as a compound word.

Thanks, Jasmin

From: Gottschalk, Haim [mailto:hgot at loc.gov]
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Subject: RE: בגלל

I think it should be “biglal” and not “bi-gelal” because of the sheva being treat as a sheva nach (which is how it is in the Alcalay).  This is in my humble opinion.

~Haim

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Subject: [Heb-NACO] בגלל

Hello Collective Wisdom, please remind me: if there’s an entry in E-Sh., even if it ends with a “see also”, is that sufficient justification for romanizing the word as a word as opposed to a compound? E.g. בגלל has a direct entry, so I’d think it would be romanized biglal (NOT bigelal because as a whole word, the sheva would be considered merahef, ignored in romanization), but the entry also says “see גלל”. So which is it: Biglal or Bi-gelal?

Thanks, Jasmin


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