[Heb-NACO] בגלל

[Robert M. TALBOTT]

Folks:

I have to say that I'm in Yosi's camp. A vote for "bi-gelal" is a vote for
sanity.

B

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 1:23 PM Neil Manel Frau-Cortes via Heb-naco <
heb-naco at lists.osu.edu> wrote:

> I agree with Jasmin.
>
>
> Neil
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 4:20 PM Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco <
> heb-naco at lists.osu.edu> wrote:
>
>> I hear the concern, Yossi, but I’m afraid we’ve already started down the
>> proverbial slope. Per the FAQ
>> <http://rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/109347700/Romanization%20FAQ>, we’ve
>> agreed to romanize the words as
>>
>>
>>
>> Bediʻavad
>>
>> Bahem
>>
>> Bilvad
>>
>> Kaʻet
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>> Kefi
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>> Levad
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>> Lemaʻan
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>> Lefi
>>
>> Mimeni
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>> Sheli
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>>
>>
>> No one can argue for Shvil since the sheva na’ at the beginning of a word
>> requires it to be Shevil. No one can argue for Birushalayim because there
>> is no E-Sh. entry for the compound.
>>
>>
>>
>> So do I hear consensus on Biglal (and Bishvil – when it means “because/on
>> behalf of”; otherwise bi/ba-shevil when it means “on a/the path)?
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu] *On Behalf Of *Galron,
>> Joseph via Heb-naco
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 07, 2019 12:52 PM
>> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
>> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] בגלל
>>
>>
>>
>> It is “dangerous” going to Biglal or Bishvil – tomorrow we will say: If
>> it is Bishvil so why not change it to Shvil
>>
>> We also Romanize בירושלים  to “Bi-Yerushalayim” and not to “Birushalayim”
>>
>>
>>
>> Yossi
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>> *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> *On Behalf Of *Shinohara,
>> Jasmin via Heb-naco
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 7, 2019 12:31 PM
>> *To:* Gottschalk, Haim <hgot at loc.gov>; 'Hebrew Name Authority Funnel' <
>> heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] בגלל
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Haim, bi-gelal would be correct if the ב is considered a prefix to
>> the word גלל. But since there is a direct entry for the word as a whole,
>> I’m asking if we should romanize it as a whole word instead of as a
>> compound word.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Jasmin
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Gottschalk, Haim [mailto:hgot at loc.gov <hgot at loc.gov>]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 07, 2019 12:24 PM
>> *To:* Shinohara, Jasmin; 'Hebrew Name Authority Funnel'
>> *Subject:* RE: בגלל
>>
>>
>>
>> I think it should be “biglal” and not “bi-gelal” because of the sheva
>> being treat as a sheva nach (which is how it is in the Alcalay).  This is
>> in my humble opinion.
>>
>>
>>
>> ~Haim
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> *On Behalf Of *Shinohara,
>> Jasmin via Heb-naco
>> *Sent:* Thursday, February 07, 2019 11:00 AM
>> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
>> *Subject:* [Heb-NACO] בגלל
>>
>>
>>
>> Hello Collective Wisdom, please remind me: if there’s an entry in E-Sh.,
>> even if it ends with a “see also”, is that sufficient justification for
>> romanizing the word as a word as opposed to a compound? E.g. בגלל has a
>> direct entry, so I’d think it would be romanized biglal (NOT bigelal
>> because as a whole word, the sheva would be considered merahef, ignored in
>> romanization), but the entry also says “see גלל”. So which is it: Biglal
>> or Bi-gelal?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Jasmin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Jasmin Shinohara
>>
>> Hebraica Cataloging Librarian
>>
>> University of Pennsylvania
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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