[Heb-NACO] moladeti or moladti

[Janet Shamir]

This problem occurs with all verbs that combine a root that ends with a Dalet and a suffix beginning with a Tav. Some examples:
Avadti, bagadta, ra ʻadt, limadtem, nilkadten, etc.
It is also common with roots ending with a Ṭet under the same circumstances:
Liḳaṭti (and not liḳaṭeti!), shafaṭta, hibaṭtem, etc.

Janet

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Janet Shamir
Hebrew Cataloging Department
National Library of Israel




From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+janet.shamir=nli.org.il at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Shinohara, Jasmin
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 9:35 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] moladeti or moladti

Great, Joan, I’ll add it to the list. Thanks, Jasmin

From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Joan Biella
Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:22 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] moladeti or moladti

A similar problem occurs with “hulad(e)ti.”  This could be added to the list, as an example of verbs with this combination of consonants.

Joan
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On Apr 12, 2018, at 7:17 AM, Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino at pobox.upenn.edu<mailto:jshino at pobox.upenn.edu>> wrote:
Thank you, all, for weighing it. I’ve added the word to our romanization FAQ on the wiki<http://rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/109347700/Romanization%20FAQ> (and updated the printable version, too, also attached; may be worth a quick review. ☺)

From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Janet Shamir
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 2:30 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] moladeti or moladti

It's a משקל סגולי. Treat the sheva as you would treat the sheva in words such as כַּלְבִּי or מַחְתַּרְתִּי: moladti.
I'm assuming those who added the e did it instinctively, or thought it was a sheva na’ based on pronunciation + the segol under the dalet in מולדת.
The dagesh in the tav is a good sign that the sheva is NOT na’, but with biblical words it's always better to double-check.


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Janet Shamir
Hebrew Cataloging Department
National Library of Israel




From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+janet.shamir=nli.org.il at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Shinohara, Jasmin
Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2018 1:51 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: [Heb-NACO] moladeti or moladti

I would think it’s the latter, but there are many records (PCC and DLC) with the former. There is a sheva under the dalet and the taf has a dagesh and a hirik (מוֹלַדְתִּי). As far as I can tell the sheva is not na’ (and if it’s merahef, it’s also disregarded per romanization rules), so then why the e after the d? We’ve long established that pronunciation is not the arbiter, the vocalization is, so what am I missing?

Thanks, Jasmin

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Jasmin Shinohara
Hebraica Cataloging Librarian
University of Pennsylvania
Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center
3420 Walnut Street
Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206
T. 215-746-6397
jshino at upenn.edu<mailto:jshino at upenn.edu>

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