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<p class="MsoNormal">This problem occurs with all verbs that combine a root that ends with a Dalet and a suffix beginning with a Tav. Some examples:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Avadti, bagadta, ra ʻadt, limadtem, nilkadten, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">It is also common with roots ending with a Ṭet under the same circumstances:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="background:white">Liḳaṭti</span> (and not <span style="background:white">
liḳaṭeti!)</span>, <span style="background:white">shafaṭt</span>a, hibaṭtem, etc.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Janet<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">Janet Shamir<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">Hebrew Cataloging Department<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">National Library of Israel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span dir="LTR" style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+janet.shamir=nli.org.il@lists.osu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shinohara, Jasmin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 17, 2018 9:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] moladeti or moladti<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:JA">Great, Joan, I’ll add it to the list. Thanks, Jasmin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joan Biella<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 17, 2018 12:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] moladeti or moladti<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">A similar problem occurs with “hulad(e)ti.” This could be added to the list, as an example of verbs with this combination of consonants.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Joan<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent from my iPad<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Apr 12, 2018, at 7:17 AM, Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thank you, all, for weighing it. I’ve added the word to our romanization FAQ on the
<a href="http://rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/109347700/Romanization%20FAQ">wiki</a> (and updated the printable version, too, also attached; may be worth a quick review.
</span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="color:#1F497D">)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Janet Shamir<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 12, 2018 2:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] moladeti or moladti</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">It's a </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">משקל סגולי</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>.
Treat the sheva as you would treat the sheva in words such as </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">כַּלְבִּי</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">
</span><span style="color:#1F497D">or </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">מַחְתַּרְתִּי</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>:
moladti.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I'm assuming those who added the e did it instinctively, or thought it was a sheva na’ based on pronunciation + the segol under the dalet in
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">מולדת</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">The dagesh in the tav is a good sign that the sheva is NOT na’, but with biblical words it's always better to double-check.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">---</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">Janet Shamir</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">Hebrew Cataloging Department</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";color:#1F497D">National Library of Israel</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span dir="LTR" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span dir="LTR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+janet.shamir=nli.org.il@lists.osu.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces+janet.shamir=nli.org.il@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shinohara, Jasmin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 12, 2018 1:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] moladeti or moladti</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would think it’s the latter, but there are many records (PCC and DLC) with the former. There is a sheva under the dalet and the taf has a dagesh and a hirik (<span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">מוֹלַדְתִּי</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>).
As far as I can tell the sheva is not na’ (and if it’s merahef, it’s also disregarded per romanization rules), so then why the e after the d? We’ve long established that pronunciation is not the arbiter, the vocalization is, so what am I missing?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, Jasmin<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jasmin Shinohara<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hebraica Cataloging Librarian<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">University of Pennsylvania<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Van Pelt-Dietrich Library Center<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">3420 Walnut Street<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Philadelphia, PA 19104-6206<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">T. 215-746-6397<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="mailto:jshino@upenn.edu">jshino@upenn.edu</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif""><rom FAQ printable april_2018.docx><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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