[Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question

[Robert M. TALBOTT]

Now there's a twist.  I hadn't considered that.

I think for a compelling case to be made for Yiddish spelling strategy, it
would had to have been written dalet,-alef-yud-tet, not to mention the
context is likely completely Hebrew.  Come to think of it, the alef
variation would been a slam dunk (dait), and there would have been no
recourse to the various Heb-Naco speculations.



On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Joan Biella <jbiella2632 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here are two cents that I almost hate to throw in--isn't this word written
> "Yiddish-style," so shouldn't we romanize it "deyt"?  As in "Leykvud"?
>
> Joan
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Robert M. TALBOTT <
> rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>
>> I was hoping for a "standard" instead of a "stanford" but I know what you
>> mean.
>>
>> As for using Morfix/Rav Milim for new words, I'm with you up to a certain
>> point.  However, do we know what Morfix/Rav Milim's policy is when they use
>> a sheva? Take for instance datel-yud-tet, where there's a tsere under the
>> dalet and a sheva under the yud.  I think we can mostly presume that they
>> are describing a "long a" sound, that is, the tsere and yud-sheva are part
>> a diphthong, but per our romanization practices this presents a bit of a
>> challenge since our understanding of sheva is limited to opening a syllable
>> (e.g., teshuvah -----> deyet) and closing a syllable (e.g., toldot ---->
>> deyt).  Naturally both deyet and deyt have their troubles, though if we had
>> a sense of what Morfix/Rav milim's master plan is (rather than just
>> inferring and hoping for the best) we could perhaps make an explicit
>> exemption to accommodate their practice, and ease our own.
>>
>> My two cents.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Heidi G Lerner <lerner at stanford.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> mea culpa:
>>>
>>>
>>> in Rav-Milim and Morfix דייט has been normalized to דיט, so it should be
>>> romanized as "deṭ'
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like propose that we adopt Rav-Milim as another stanford for
>>> romanization/vocalization for the more contemporary words that have entered
>>> the Hebrew language since E-S' last edition of 2007 and do not appear there
>>> or in Alcalay.
>>>
>>>
>>> i believe that we talked about this in years gone by.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Heidi G. Lerner
>>>
>>> Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica
>>>
>>> Metadata Dept.
>>>
>>> Stanford University Libraries
>>>
>>> Stanford, CA 94305-6004
>>>
>>> ph: 650-725-9953 <(650)%20725-9953>
>>>
>>> fax: 650-725-1120 <(650)%20725-1120>
>>>
>>> e-mail: lerner at stanford.edu
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Yossi
>>> Galron <jgalron at gmail.com>
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:31 PM
>>> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question
>>>
>>> Our rule is that it should be Dait  (two Yods are "ai")
>>>
>>> Yossi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
>>> E-Mail: galron.1 at osu.edu  or jgalron at gmail.com
>>> Tel.: (614) 292-3362,  Fax: (614)292-1918 <(614)%20292-1918>
>>> Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Gottschalk, Haim <hgot at loc.gov> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear colleagues:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How would you vocalize דייט? I could not the word in the dictionaries,
>>>> nor find it vocalized in worldcat, nor on the internet. The word is
>>>> pronounced as “date” as going out on a date. I have Romanized it as “deyit”.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Haim
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Bob Talbott
>>
>> Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger
>>
>> UC Berkeley
>>
>> 250 Moffitt
>>
>> Berkeley, CA 94720
>>
>> I'm just mad about Saffron
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Bob Talbott

Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger

UC Berkeley

250 Moffitt

Berkeley, CA 94720

I'm just mad about Saffron
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