<div dir="ltr">Now there's a twist. I hadn't considered that.<div><br></div><div>I think for a compelling case to be made for Yiddish spelling strategy, it would had to have been written dalet,-alef-yud-tet, not to mention the context is likely completely Hebrew. Come to think of it, the alef variation would been a slam dunk (dait), and there would have been no recourse to the various Heb-Naco speculations.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 21, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Joan Biella <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jbiella2632@gmail.com" target="_blank">jbiella2632@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Here are two cents that I almost hate to throw in--isn't this word written "Yiddish-style," so shouldn't we romanize it "deyt"? As in "Leykvud"? <br><br></div>Joan<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Robert M. TALBOTT <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a><wbr>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I was hoping for a "standard" instead of a "stanford" but I know what you mean.<div><br></div><div>As for using Morfix/Rav Milim for new words, I'm with you up to a certain point. However, do we know what Morfix/Rav Milim's policy is when they use a sheva? Take for instance datel-yud-tet, where there's a tsere under the dalet and a sheva under the yud. I think we can mostly presume that they are describing a "long a" sound, that is, the tsere and yud-sheva are part a diphthong, but per our romanization practices this presents a bit of a challenge since our understanding of sheva is limited to opening a syllable (e.g., teshuvah -----> deyet) and closing a syllable (e.g., toldot ----> deyt). Naturally both deyet and deyt have their troubles, though if we had a sense of what Morfix/Rav milim's master plan is (rather than just inferring and hoping for the best) we could perhaps make an explicit exemption to accommodate their practice, and ease our own.</div><div><br></div><div>My two cents.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="m_-3207974549550946198h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Heidi G Lerner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu" target="_blank">lerner@stanford.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>I would like propose that we adopt Rav-Milim as another stanford for romanization/vocalization for the more contemporary words that have entered the Hebrew language since E-S' last edition of 2007 and do not appear there or in Alcalay.</p>
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<p>i believe that we talked about this in years gone by.</p>
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<div dir="ltr">Our rule is that it should be Dait (two Yods are "ai")
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