[Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question

[Joan Biella]

Here are two cents that I almost hate to throw in--isn't this word written
"Yiddish-style," so shouldn't we romanize it "deyt"?  As in "Leykvud"?

Joan

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 4:16 PM, Robert M. TALBOTT <
rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu> wrote:

> I was hoping for a "standard" instead of a "stanford" but I know what you
> mean.
>
> As for using Morfix/Rav Milim for new words, I'm with you up to a certain
> point.  However, do we know what Morfix/Rav Milim's policy is when they use
> a sheva? Take for instance datel-yud-tet, where there's a tsere under the
> dalet and a sheva under the yud.  I think we can mostly presume that they
> are describing a "long a" sound, that is, the tsere and yud-sheva are part
> a diphthong, but per our romanization practices this presents a bit of a
> challenge since our understanding of sheva is limited to opening a syllable
> (e.g., teshuvah -----> deyet) and closing a syllable (e.g., toldot ---->
> deyt).  Naturally both deyet and deyt have their troubles, though if we had
> a sense of what Morfix/Rav milim's master plan is (rather than just
> inferring and hoping for the best) we could perhaps make an explicit
> exemption to accommodate their practice, and ease our own.
>
> My two cents.
>
> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Heidi G Lerner <lerner at stanford.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> mea culpa:
>>
>>
>> in Rav-Milim and Morfix דייט has been normalized to דיט, so it should be
>> romanized as "deṭ'
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like propose that we adopt Rav-Milim as another stanford for
>> romanization/vocalization for the more contemporary words that have entered
>> the Hebrew language since E-S' last edition of 2007 and do not appear there
>> or in Alcalay.
>>
>>
>> i believe that we talked about this in years gone by.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Heidi G. Lerner
>>
>> Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica
>>
>> Metadata Dept.
>>
>> Stanford University Libraries
>>
>> Stanford, CA 94305-6004
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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>> *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Yossi
>> Galron <jgalron at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:31 PM
>> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
>> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question
>>
>> Our rule is that it should be Dait  (two Yods are "ai")
>>
>> Yossi
>>
>>
>>
>> Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
>> E-Mail: galron.1 at osu.edu  or jgalron at gmail.com
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>> Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Gottschalk, Haim <hgot at loc.gov> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear colleagues:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> How would you vocalize דייט? I could not the word in the dictionaries,
>>> nor find it vocalized in worldcat, nor on the internet. The word is
>>> pronounced as “date” as going out on a date. I have Romanized it as “deyit”.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Haim
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