[Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question

Thu Jul 20 19:16:17 EDT 2017

I was hoping for a "standard" instead of a "stanford" but I know what you
mean.

As for using Morfix/Rav Milim for new words, I'm with you up to a certain
point.  However, do we know what Morfix/Rav Milim's policy is when they use
a sheva? Take for instance datel-yud-tet, where there's a tsere under the
dalet and a sheva under the yud.  I think we can mostly presume that they
are describing a "long a" sound, that is, the tsere and yud-sheva are part
a diphthong, but per our romanization practices this presents a bit of a
challenge since our understanding of sheva is limited to opening a syllable
(e.g., teshuvah -----> deyet) and closing a syllable (e.g., toldot ---->
deyt).  Naturally both deyet and deyt have their troubles, though if we had
a sense of what Morfix/Rav milim's master plan is (rather than just
inferring and hoping for the best) we could perhaps make an explicit
exemption to accommodate their practice, and ease our own.

My two cents.

On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 1:37 PM, Heidi G Lerner <lerner at stanford.edu> wrote:

> mea culpa:
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> in Rav-Milim and Morfix דייט has been normalized to דיט, so it should be
> romanized as "deṭ'
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> I would like propose that we adopt Rav-Milim as another stanford for
> romanization/vocalization for the more contemporary words that have entered
> the Hebrew language since E-S' last edition of 2007 and do not appear there
> or in Alcalay.
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> i believe that we talked about this in years gone by.
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> Heidi G. Lerner
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> *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Yossi
> Galron <jgalron at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:31 PM
> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question
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> Our rule is that it should be Dait  (two Yods are "ai")
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> Yossi
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> Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
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> On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Gottschalk, Haim <hgot at loc.gov> wrote:
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>> Dear colleagues:
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>> How would you vocalize דייט? I could not the word in the dictionaries,
>> nor find it vocalized in worldcat, nor on the internet. The word is
>> pronounced as “date” as going out on a date. I have Romanized it as “deyit”.
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>> Thanks in advance.
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>> Haim
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