[Heb-NACO] Sefer Tsahot or Sefer Tsahut?

Thu Jan 19 17:24:51 EST 2017

Folks:

Thank you all for your input. Thanks again Barry, for going the extra mile
and contacting an expert.

I'm going with Tsahot.  Even though Tsahut is a very reasonable and
persuasively grammatical choice, the triple-threat of expert testimony,
publisher supplied (though non-prominent) vocalization, and a preponderance
of found-Romanizations weigh in for Tsahot.

Heidi:  I'll be sending the authority to you for  a quick review sometime
early next week.

Cheers

B

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino at pobox.upenn.edu>
wrote:

> Thank you for following up, Barry.  I think the vocalized poem that Robert
> mentioned also helps clinch it.
>
>
>
> Jasmin
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>
>
> *From:* Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn.edu at lists.
> osu.edu] *On Behalf Of *Barry Walfish
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 19, 2017 3:24 PM
> *To:* rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] Sefer Tsahot or Sefer Tsahut?
>
>
>
> So my source (Uri Melammed) says it should be: Tsahot.  I hope that
> settles it.
>
>
>
> Barry
>
>
>
> צריך לתעתק: Tsahot.
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>
>
> כל טוב,
>
> אורי
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> --
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> ד"ר אורי מלמד
> מפעל המילון ההיסטורי
> האקדמיה ללשון העברית
> קמפוס גבעת רם
> ירושלים 91904
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>
>
> Barry Dov Walfish, Ph.D.
>
> Judaica and Religious Studies Specialist
>
> Collection Development Department and
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> Thomas Fisher Rare Book Library
>
> University of Toronto Library
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> Toronto, ON
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> *From:* Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+barry.walfish=utoronto.ca@
> lists.osu.edu <heb-naco-bounces+barry.walfish=utoronto.ca at lists.osu.edu>] *On
> Behalf Of *Robert M. TALBOTT
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:00 PM
> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] Sefer Tsahot or Sefer Tsahut?
>
>
>
> I just discovered that there's a poem on p2, presumably vocalized by the
> publisher, that has the final line "... kera Sefer Tsahot."  Even so, I
> would like to hear what Barry's person has to say.  Yes, please, ask.
>
>
>
> So, the whole point of this exercise is not so much how to handle this in
> MARC (though that's important; thanks, Yosi), but rather is to see if we
> can come to some sort of consensus to facilitate an authority, like we did
> with the never ending back and forth of tekafo/tokpo.
>
>
>
> Thank you all for responding in the volume that you have.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> B
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Yossi Galron <jgalron at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> So the solution is - 245 and 246 ... :-)
>
>
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> Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
> E-Mail: galron.1 at osu.edu  or jgalron at gmail.com
> Tel.: (614) 292-3362,  Fax: (614)292-1918 <(614)%20292-1918>
> Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Barry Walfish <barry.walfish at utoronto.ca>
> wrote:
>
> This Spanish scholar thought tsahot:
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>
>
> Ibn Ezra, Abraham ben Meïr, 1089-1164
> <https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=nMDeEQKxtI/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X100/XAUTHOR/Ibn+Ezra,+Abraham+ben+Me%C3%AFr,+1089-1164>
>
> *Uniform title: *
>
> [Tsaḥut ba-diḳduḳ. Spanish & Hebrew]
> <https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=xlhfMTXyhs/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X240/XTITLE/Tsa%E1%B8%A5ut+ba-di%E1%B8%B3du%E1%B8%B3.+Spanish+&+Hebrew>
>
> *Title: *
>
> Sefer Ṣaḥot de Abraham Ibn 'Ezra / [editado por] Carlos Del Valle
> Rodríguez.
> <https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=hjdhBhhLUR/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X245/XTITLE/Sefer+%E1%B9%A2a%E1%B8%A5ot+de+Abraham+Ibn+%27Ezra+%5E2F>
>
> *Publication info: *
>
> Salamanca [Universidad Pontificia] 1977-
>
> *Physical description: *
>
> v. 24 cm.
>
> *Series title: *
>
> (Bibliotheca Salmanticensis. Dissertationes 1)
> <https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=7lMaYvd8gF/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X440/XSERIES/Bibliotheca+Salmanticensis.+Dissertationes>
>
> *Subject: *
>
> Hebrew language--Grammar.
> <https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=NssxUEto40/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X650/XSUBJECT/Hebrew+language+Grammar.>
>
> *General Note: *
>
> Spanish and Hebrew on facing pages.
>
> *Bibliography note: *
>
> Includes bibliographical references.
>
> *Incomplete contents: *
>
> 1. Edición crítica y versión castellana--
>
> *ISBN: *
>
> 84 600 09467
>
> *Added Entry-Personal Name: *
>
> Valle Rodríguez, Carlos del.
> <https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=VgCABX1q4W/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X700/XAUTHOR/Valle+Rodr%C3%ADguez,+Carlos+del.>
>
> *Added title: *
>
> Sefer Tsaḥot.
> <https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=T8iFNHnh8B/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X740/XTITLE/Sefer+Tsa%E1%B8%A5ot.>
>
>
>
>
>
> Barry Dov Walfish, Ph.D.
>
> Judaica and Religious Studies Specialist
>
> Collection Development Department and
>
> Thomas Fisher Rare Book Library
>
> University of Toronto Library
>
> 130 St. George St.
>
> Toronto, ON
>
> Canada M5S 1A5
>
>
>
> Phone: 416-946-3176 <(416)%20946-3176> or 416-978-4319 <(416)%20978-4319>
>
> Fax:  416-978-1667 <(416)%20978-1667> or 416-946-0635 <(416)%20946-0635>
>
> e-mail: barry.walfish at utoronto.ca
>
>
>
> *From:* Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu] *On Behalf Of *Yossi
> Galron
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 18, 2017 5:37 PM
> *To:* Robert Talbott <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu>; Hebrew Name
> Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] Sefer Tsahot or Sefer Tsahut?
>
>
>
> Bob,
>
> The noun is Tsahut - see Even Shoshan, Alcalay and Milon Ariel ha-makif.
>
>
>
> My two cents.
>
>
>
> Yossi
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
> E-Mail: galron.1 at osu.edu  or jgalron at gmail.com
> Tel.: (614) 292-3362,  Fax: (614)292-1918 <(614)%20292-1918>
> Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Robert M. TALBOTT <
> rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>
> Folks:
>
>
>
> I have a recent publication from Mosad Rav Kuk here at my desk which is a
> republication of a work by Ibn Ezra.  The issue is that the vocalization
> for the key noun is ambiguous and works either way.
>
>
>
> The title is Sefer tsadi-het-vav-tav.  My inclination is to read that as
> "tsahut."  However, it may also be read as "tsahot," which is grammatical
> though it seems a less obvious choice. Also, it seems to be the preferred
> vocalization in OCLC.
>
>
>
> Does anyone out there know or have a better sense of what's traditional
> re. tsahut/tsahot?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> B
>
>
>
> --
>
> Bob Talbott
>
> Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger
>
> UC Berkeley
>
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>
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