[Heb-NACO] Sefer Tsahot or Sefer Tsahut?
Heidi G Lerner
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Thu Jan 19 17:52:19 EST 2017
sounds good
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From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford.edu at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Robert M. TALBOTT <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 2:24 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Sefer Tsahot or Sefer Tsahut?
Folks:
Thank you all for your input. Thanks again Barry, for going the extra mile and contacting an expert.
I'm going with Tsahot. Even though Tsahut is a very reasonable and persuasively grammatical choice, the triple-threat of expert testimony, publisher supplied (though non-prominent) vocalization, and a preponderance of found-Romanizations weigh in for Tsahot.
Heidi: I'll be sending the authority to you for a quick review sometime early next week.
Cheers
B
On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino at pobox.upenn.edu<mailto:jshino at pobox.upenn.edu>> wrote:
Thank you for following up, Barry. I think the vocalized poem that Robert mentioned also helps clinch it.
Jasmin
From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino<mailto:heb-naco-bounces%2Bjshino>=pobox.upenn.edu at lists.osu.edu<mailto:pobox.upenn.edu at lists.osu.edu>] On Behalf Of Barry Walfish
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Sefer Tsahot or Sefer Tsahut?
So my source (Uri Melammed) says it should be: Tsahot. I hope that settles it.
Barry
צריך לתעתק: Tsahot.
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From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+barry.walfish=utoronto.ca at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Robert M. TALBOTT
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:00 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Sefer Tsahot or Sefer Tsahut?
I just discovered that there's a poem on p2, presumably vocalized by the publisher, that has the final line "... kera Sefer Tsahot." Even so, I would like to hear what Barry's person has to say. Yes, please, ask.
So, the whole point of this exercise is not so much how to handle this in MARC (though that's important; thanks, Yosi), but rather is to see if we can come to some sort of consensus to facilitate an authority, like we did with the never ending back and forth of tekafo/tokpo.
Thank you all for responding in the volume that you have.
Cheers
B
On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Yossi Galron <jgalron at gmail.com<mailto:jgalron at gmail.com>> wrote:
So the solution is - 245 and 246 ... :-)
Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
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On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Barry Walfish <barry.walfish at utoronto.ca<mailto:barry.walfish at utoronto.ca>> wrote:
This Spanish scholar thought tsahot:
Ibn Ezra, Abraham ben Meïr, 1089-1164<https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=nMDeEQKxtI/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X100/XAUTHOR/Ibn+Ezra,+Abraham+ben+Me%C3%AFr,+1089-1164>
Uniform title:
[Tsaḥut ba-diḳduḳ. Spanish & Hebrew]<https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=xlhfMTXyhs/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X240/XTITLE/Tsa%E1%B8%A5ut+ba-di%E1%B8%B3du%E1%B8%B3.+Spanish+&+Hebrew>
Title:
Sefer Ṣaḥot de Abraham Ibn 'Ezra / [editado por] Carlos Del Valle Rodríguez.<https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=hjdhBhhLUR/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X245/XTITLE/Sefer+%E1%B9%A2a%E1%B8%A5ot+de+Abraham+Ibn+%27Ezra+%5E2F>
Publication info:
Salamanca [Universidad Pontificia] 1977-
Physical description:
v. 24 cm.
Series title:
(Bibliotheca Salmanticensis. Dissertationes 1)<https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=7lMaYvd8gF/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X440/XSERIES/Bibliotheca+Salmanticensis.+Dissertationes>
Subject:
Hebrew language--Grammar.<https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=NssxUEto40/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X650/XSUBJECT/Hebrew+language+Grammar.>
General Note:
Spanish and Hebrew on facing pages.
Bibliography note:
Includes bibliographical references.
Incomplete contents:
1. Edición crítica y versión castellana--
ISBN:
84 600 09467
Added Entry-Personal Name:
Valle Rodríguez, Carlos del.<https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=VgCABX1q4W/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X700/XAUTHOR/Valle+Rodr%C3%ADguez,+Carlos+del.>
Added title:
Sefer Tsaḥot.<https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=T8iFNHnh8B/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X740/XTITLE/Sefer+Tsa%E1%B8%A5ot.>
Barry Dov Walfish, Ph.D.
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From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu>] On Behalf Of Yossi Galron
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Sefer Tsahot or Sefer Tsahut?
Bob,
The noun is Tsahut - see Even Shoshan, Alcalay and Milon Ariel ha-makif.
My two cents.
Yossi
Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
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On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Robert M. TALBOTT <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu>> wrote:
Folks:
I have a recent publication from Mosad Rav Kuk here at my desk which is a republication of a work by Ibn Ezra. The issue is that the vocalization for the key noun is ambiguous and works either way.
The title is Sefer tsadi-het-vav-tav. My inclination is to read that as "tsahut." However, it may also be read as "tsahot," which is grammatical though it seems a less obvious choice. Also, it seems to be the preferred vocalization in OCLC.
Does anyone out there know or have a better sense of what's traditional re. tsahut/tsahot?
Thanks
B
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