[Heb-NACO] Sefer Tsahot or Sefer Tsahut?

Thu Jan 19 16:30:26 EST 2017

Thank you for following up, Barry.  I think the vocalized poem that Robert mentioned also helps clinch it.

Jasmin

From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn.edu at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Barry Walfish
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Sefer Tsahot or Sefer Tsahut?

So my source (Uri Melammed) says it should be: Tsahot.  I hope that settles it.

Barry

צריך לתעתק: Tsahot.

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From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+barry.walfish=utoronto.ca at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Robert M. TALBOTT
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Sefer Tsahot or Sefer Tsahut?

I just discovered that there's a poem on p2, presumably vocalized by the publisher, that has the final line "... kera Sefer Tsahot."  Even so, I would like to hear what Barry's person has to say.  Yes, please, ask.

So, the whole point of this exercise is not so much how to handle this in MARC (though that's important; thanks, Yosi), but rather is to see if we can come to some sort of consensus to facilitate an authority, like we did with the never ending back and forth of tekafo/tokpo.

Thank you all for responding in the volume that you have.

Cheers

B

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Yossi Galron <jgalron at gmail.com<mailto:jgalron at gmail.com>> wrote:
So the solution is - 245 and 246 ... :-)

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On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Barry Walfish <barry.walfish at utoronto.ca<mailto:barry.walfish at utoronto.ca>> wrote:
This Spanish scholar thought tsahot:

Ibn Ezra, Abraham ben Meïr, 1089-1164<https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=nMDeEQKxtI/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X100/XAUTHOR/Ibn+Ezra,+Abraham+ben+Me%C3%AFr,+1089-1164>

Uniform title:

[Tsaḥut ba-diḳduḳ. Spanish & Hebrew]<https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=xlhfMTXyhs/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X240/XTITLE/Tsa%E1%B8%A5ut+ba-di%E1%B8%B3du%E1%B8%B3.+Spanish+&+Hebrew>

Title:

Sefer Ṣaḥot de Abraham Ibn 'Ezra / [editado por] Carlos Del Valle Rodríguez.<https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=hjdhBhhLUR/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X245/XTITLE/Sefer+%E1%B9%A2a%E1%B8%A5ot+de+Abraham+Ibn+%27Ezra+%5E2F>

Publication info:

Salamanca [Universidad Pontificia] 1977-

Physical description:

v. 24 cm.

Series title:

(Bibliotheca Salmanticensis. Dissertationes 1)<https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=7lMaYvd8gF/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X440/XSERIES/Bibliotheca+Salmanticensis.+Dissertationes>

Subject:

Hebrew language--Grammar.<https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=NssxUEto40/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X650/XSUBJECT/Hebrew+language+Grammar.>

General Note:

Spanish and Hebrew on facing pages.

Bibliography note:

Includes bibliographical references.

Incomplete contents:

1. Edición crítica y versión castellana--

ISBN:

84 600 09467

Added Entry-Personal Name:

Valle Rodríguez, Carlos del.<https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=VgCABX1q4W/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X700/XAUTHOR/Valle+Rodr%C3%ADguez,+Carlos+del.>

Added title:

Sefer Tsaḥot.<https://toroprod.library.utoronto.ca/uhtbin/cgisirsi/?ps=T8iFNHnh8B/ROBARTS/305280232/18/X740/XTITLE/Sefer+Tsa%E1%B8%A5ot.>

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From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu>] On Behalf Of Yossi Galron
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 5:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Sefer Tsahot or Sefer Tsahut?

Bob,
The noun is Tsahut - see Even Shoshan, Alcalay and Milon Ariel ha-makif.

My two cents.

Yossi

Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
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On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Robert M. TALBOTT <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu>> wrote:
Folks:

I have a recent publication from Mosad Rav Kuk here at my desk which is a republication of a work by Ibn Ezra.  The issue is that the vocalization for the key noun is ambiguous and works either way.

The title is Sefer tsadi-het-vav-tav.  My inclination is to read that as "tsahut."  However, it may also be read as "tsahot," which is grammatical though it seems a less obvious choice. Also, it seems to be the preferred vocalization in OCLC.

Does anyone out there know or have a better sense of what's traditional re. tsahut/tsahot?

Thanks

B

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