[Heb-NACO] Nokhehim? Nokhhim?

[Joan Biella]

Nokhhim is just like kotvim, as far as I know.  Qal active participle, no gutturals in significant positions to affect the vocalization.  I'd refer to Alkalay et al only in cases of serious doubt.

Joan

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> On Apr 18, 2017, at 8:28 AM, Robert M. TALBOTT <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure I understand.  From what I've gleaned from Maher, when a sheva falls under a consonant that follows a vowel, it's understood as a sheva nah as far as our romanization scheme goes, thus "nokhhim." 
> 
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>> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Heidi G Lerner <lerner at stanford.edu> wrote:
>> We have historically provided a simple rule for romanizing Hebrew because we cannot assume that all Hebraica catalogers who are required to romanize have a strong background in דקדוק.
>> 
>> 
>> And that rule, encoded in two editions of Hebraica cataloging is to follow the vocalization in the most recent edition of Even-Shoshan and Alkalay. Both of these dictionaries have a "sheva" under the "כ". Thus we do as Yossi says we do.
>> 
>> 
>> "nokheḥut".
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>> 
>> Thanks, Heidi
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>> 
>> Heidi G. Lerner
>> 
>> Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica
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>> Metadata Dept.
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>> Stanford University Libraries
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>> Stanford, CA 94305-6004
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>> From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford.edu at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Joan Biella <jbiella2632 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 8:31 PM
>> To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
>> Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Nokhehim? Nokhhim?
>>  
>> Yossi knows us well.  I don't think you'll find a rule in the HCM even now that would justify an /e/ between the khaf and the het, no matter how they have to be pronounced.
>> 
>> Joan
>> 
>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Yossi Galron <jgalron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Bob,
>>> Hebrew is a living language. I don't know the grammatical rule (Sheva na? Sheva merahef?), but modern Hebrew speakers are saying Nokhehim. Try to pronounce two Khaf or  Het sounds without a vowel between them.
>>> I know my answer will not satisfy you. Maybe someone on the list will be more satisfying. 
>>> Happy Passover/Easter 
>>> Yossi
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 17, 2017 21:10, "Robert M. TALBOTT" <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>> Why?
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Yossi Galron <jgalron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Nohekhim.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 17, 2017 18:22, "Robert M. TALBOTT" <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> Folks:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Does נוכחים follow the pattern of lomdim (nokh[dot]him) or the pattern of mitpalelim (mokhe[dot]him)?  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> B
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Bob Talbott
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> UC Berkeley
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>>>>>> 250 Moffitt
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>>>>>> Berkeley, CA 94720
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