[Heb-NACO] Nokhehim? Nokhhim?

[Barry Walfish]

Yes, or a closer example would be shokhhim pl. of shokheah.

Barry

Barry Dov Walfish, Ph.D.
Judaica Specialist
University of Toronto Libraries
Toronto, ON M5S 1A5
Canada
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Nokhehim? Nokhhim?

Nokhhim is just like kotvim, as far as I know.  Qal active participle, no gutturals in significant positions to affect the vocalization.  I'd refer to Alkalay et al only in cases of serious doubt.

Joan

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On Apr 18, 2017, at 8:28 AM, Robert M. TALBOTT <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu>> wrote:

I'm not sure I understand.  From what I've gleaned from Maher, when a sheva falls under a consonant that follows a vowel, it's understood as a sheva nah as far as our romanization scheme goes, thus "nokhhim."



On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Heidi G Lerner <lerner at stanford.edu<mailto:lerner at stanford.edu>> wrote:

We have historically provided a simple rule for romanizing Hebrew because we cannot assume that all Hebraica catalogers who are required to romanize have a strong background in דקדוק.


And that rule, encoded in two editions of Hebraica cataloging is to follow the vocalization in the most recent edition of Even-Shoshan and Alkalay. Both of these dictionaries have a "sheva" under the "כ". Thus we do as Yossi says we do.


"nokheḥut".


Thanks, Heidi


Heidi G. Lerner

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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Nokhehim? Nokhhim?

Yossi knows us well.  I don't think you'll find a rule in the HCM even now that would justify an /e/ between the khaf and the het, no matter how they have to be pronounced.

Joan

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Yossi Galron <jgalron at gmail.com<mailto:jgalron at gmail.com>> wrote:
Bob,
Hebrew is a living language. I don't know the grammatical rule (Sheva na? Sheva merahef?), but modern Hebrew speakers are saying Nokhehim. Try to pronounce two Khaf or  Het sounds without a vowel between them.
I know my answer will not satisfy you. Maybe someone on the list will be more satisfying.
Happy Passover/Easter
Yossi


On Apr 17, 2017 21:10, "Robert M. TALBOTT" <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu>> wrote:
Why?

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Yossi Galron <jgalron at gmail.com<mailto:jgalron at gmail.com>> wrote:
Nohekhim.



On Apr 17, 2017 18:22, "Robert M. TALBOTT" <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu>> wrote:
Folks:

Does נוכחים follow the pattern of lomdim (nokh[dot]him) or the pattern of mitpalelim (mokhe[dot]him)?

Thanks

B

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