[Heb-NACO] Nokhehim? Nokhhim?

Tue Apr 18 11:57:26 EDT 2017

just for the fun of it - there are 27 records in OCLC with Nokhehim and 0
records with Nokhhim

Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
E-Mail: galron.1 at osu.edu  or jgalron at gmail.com
Tel.: (614) 292-3362,  Fax: (614)292-1918
Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Heidi G Lerner <lerner at stanford.edu>
wrote:

> Bob, I agree with you. I just re-checked and examples are found on p.
> 17-18 of the current edition (found online at file:///C:/Users/lerner/
> Downloads/HCM%20RDA%20guide%20(8).pdf).
>
>
> So, yes I think that it should be "nokhhim" odd as it looks and sounds.
>
>
>
>
> Heidi G. Lerner
>
> Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica
>
> Metadata Dept.
>
> Stanford University Libraries
>
> Stanford, CA 94305-6004
>
> ph: 650-725-9953 <(650)%20725-9953>
>
> fax: 650-725-1120 <(650)%20725-1120>
>
> e-mail: lerner at stanford.edu
>
>
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> *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Robert M.
> TALBOTT <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:28 AM
>
> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] Nokhehim? Nokhhim?
>
> I'm not sure I understand.  From what I've gleaned from Maher, when a
> sheva falls under a consonant that follows a vowel, it's understood as a
> sheva nah as far as our romanization scheme goes, thus "nokhhim."
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Heidi G Lerner <lerner at stanford.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> We have historically provided a simple rule for romanizing Hebrew because
>> we cannot assume that all Hebraica catalogers who are required to romanize
>> have a strong background in דקדוק.
>>
>>
>> And that rule, encoded in two editions of Hebraica cataloging is to
>> follow the vocalization in the most recent edition of Even-Shoshan and
>> Alkalay. Both of these dictionaries have a "sheva" under the "כ". Thus we
>> do as Yossi says we do.
>>
>>
>> "nokheḥut".
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Heidi
>>
>>
>> Heidi G. Lerner
>>
>> Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica
>>
>> Metadata Dept.
>>
>> Stanford University Libraries
>>
>> Stanford, CA 94305-6004
>>
>> ph: 650-725-9953 <(650)%20725-9953>
>>
>> fax: 650-725-1120 <(650)%20725-1120>
>>
>> e-mail: lerner at stanford.edu
>>
>>
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>> *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford.edu at lists.osu.edu> on
>> behalf of Joan Biella <jbiella2632 at gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 17, 2017 8:31 PM
>> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
>> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] Nokhehim? Nokhhim?
>>
>> Yossi knows us well.  I don't think you'll find a rule in the HCM even
>> now that would justify an /e/ between the khaf and the het, no matter how
>> they have to be pronounced.
>>
>> Joan
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Yossi Galron <jgalron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bob,
>>> Hebrew is a living language. I don't know the grammatical rule (Sheva
>>> na? Sheva merahef?), but modern Hebrew speakers are saying Nokhehim. Try to
>>> pronounce two Khaf or  Het sounds without a vowel between them.
>>> I know my answer will not satisfy you. Maybe someone on the list will be
>>> more satisfying.
>>> Happy Passover/Easter
>>> Yossi
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 17, 2017 21:10, "Robert M. TALBOTT" <
>>> rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Yossi Galron <jgalron at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nohekhim.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 17, 2017 18:22, "Robert M. TALBOTT" <
>>>>> rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Folks:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does נוכחים follow the pattern of lomdim (nokh[dot]him) or the
>>>>>> pattern of mitpalelim (mokhe[dot]him)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Bob Talbott
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger
>>>>>>
>>>>>> UC Berkeley
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 250 Moffitt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Berkeley, CA 94720
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm just mad about Saffron
>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> UC Berkeley
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Berkeley, CA 94720
>>>>
>>>> I'm just mad about Saffron
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>
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> UC Berkeley
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> 250 Moffitt
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> Berkeley, CA 94720
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