[Heb-NACO] Nokhehim? Nokhhim?

Tue Apr 18 11:38:58 EDT 2017

Bob, I agree with you. I just re-checked and examples are found on p. 17-18 of the current edition (found online at file:///C:/Users/lerner/Downloads/HCM%20RDA%20guide%20(8).pdf).

So, yes I think that it should be "nokhhim" odd as it looks and sounds.

Heidi G. Lerner

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From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Robert M. TALBOTT <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 8:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Nokhehim? Nokhhim?

I'm not sure I understand.  From what I've gleaned from Maher, when a sheva falls under a consonant that follows a vowel, it's understood as a sheva nah as far as our romanization scheme goes, thus "nokhhim."

On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 7:56 AM, Heidi G Lerner <lerner at stanford.edu<mailto:lerner at stanford.edu>> wrote:

We have historically provided a simple rule for romanizing Hebrew because we cannot assume that all Hebraica catalogers who are required to romanize have a strong background in דקדוק.

And that rule, encoded in two editions of Hebraica cataloging is to follow the vocalization in the most recent edition of Even-Shoshan and Alkalay. Both of these dictionaries have a "sheva" under the "כ". Thus we do as Yossi says we do.

"nokheḥut".

Thanks, Heidi

Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

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fax: 650-725-1120<tel:(650)%20725-1120>

e-mail: lerner at stanford.edu<mailto:lerner at stanford.edu>

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From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford.edu at lists.osu.edu<mailto:stanford.edu at lists.osu.edu>> on behalf of Joan Biella <jbiella2632 at gmail.com<mailto:jbiella2632 at gmail.com>>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 8:31 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Nokhehim? Nokhhim?

Yossi knows us well.  I don't think you'll find a rule in the HCM even now that would justify an /e/ between the khaf and the het, no matter how they have to be pronounced.

Joan

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Yossi Galron <jgalron at gmail.com<mailto:jgalron at gmail.com>> wrote:
Bob,
Hebrew is a living language. I don't know the grammatical rule (Sheva na? Sheva merahef?), but modern Hebrew speakers are saying Nokhehim. Try to pronounce two Khaf or  Het sounds without a vowel between them.
I know my answer will not satisfy you. Maybe someone on the list will be more satisfying.
Happy Passover/Easter
Yossi

On Apr 17, 2017 21:10, "Robert M. TALBOTT" <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu>> wrote:
Why?

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Yossi Galron <jgalron at gmail.com<mailto:jgalron at gmail.com>> wrote:
Nohekhim.

On Apr 17, 2017 18:22, "Robert M. TALBOTT" <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu>> wrote:
Folks:

Does נוכחים follow the pattern of lomdim (nokh[dot]him) or the pattern of mitpalelim (mokhe[dot]him)?

Thanks

B

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