[Heb-NACO] FW: כיתות ג' עד ו'

[Yossi Galron]

If it says א - a native speaker will say Alef and so on.

Kitah Alef..., Pelugah Bet...,  Dargah Kaf-vav .... Deganyah Bet .... etc.

Not Kitah rishonah or Kitah ahat ... etc.




Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
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On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Neil Manel Frau-Cortes <nfrau at umd.edu>
wrote:

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> Right, thanks.
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> Then my question is: does the absence of a geresh make the number an
> ordinal? In other words, when a native speaker sees an Aleph without a dot,
> does she tend to read “rishonah” instead of “ahat”?
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> *Neil M. Frau-Cortes, Ph.D.*
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> Judaica, Hebraica and Metadata Cataloger
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> McKeldin Library
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> University of Maryland
> College Park, MD 20742
> Phone (301) 405-9337
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> nfrau at umd.edu
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> *From:* Kolodney, Uri [mailto:kolodney at austin.utexas.edu
> <kolodney at austin.utexas.edu>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 3:46 PM
> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
> *Cc:* Neil Manel Frau-Cortes
> *Subject:* RE: [Heb-NACO] כיתות ג' עד ו'
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> The images did not go through….. (I attach them here again for Neil)
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> Anyway, yes, it does happen.
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> Uri
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> *From:* Heb-naco [
> mailto:heb-naco-bounces+kolodney=austin.utexas.edu at lists.osu.edu
> <heb-naco-bounces+kolodney=austin.utexas.edu at lists.osu.edu>] *On Behalf
> Of *Kolodney, Uri
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:41 PM
> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] כיתות ג' עד ו'
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> Certainly!
> See ב examples attached 😊
> Uri
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> Sent from my Windows Phone
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> *From: *Neil Manel Frau-Cortes <nfrau at umd.edu>
> *Sent: *‎3/‎24/‎2016 14:35
> *To: *Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
> *Subject: *Re: [Heb-NACO] כיתות ג' עד ו'
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> Does it happen that Hebrew numbers are written without geresh (one
> character) or gershayim (more than one character)?
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> *Neil M. Frau-Cortes, Ph.D.*
>
> Judaica, Hebraica and Metadata Cataloger
>
> McKeldin Library
>
> University of Maryland
> College Park, MD 20742
> Phone (301) 405-9337
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> nfrau at umd.edu
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> *From:* Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+nfrau=umd.edu at lists.osu.edu
> <heb-naco-bounces+nfrau=umd.edu at lists.osu.edu>] *On Behalf Of *Heidi G
> Lerner
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 5:40 PM
> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] כיתות ג' עד ו'
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> Hi Yosi,
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>  I think that you should add a period after the number "1". If a Hebrew
> cardinal number is followed by a "'" [geresh] doesn't that make it an
> ordinal number?
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> i.e.
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> א  = 1
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> א׳ = .1
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> ׁAccording to RDA Hebraica cataloging:
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> As a convention, ordinal numerals are generally transcribed with a period.
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> In the nonroman bibliographic record, the period goes to the left of the
> numeral if it is transcribed as such
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> So I think that    מועד א' [geresh after the א]
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> would be transcribed in the 245 as Moed 1. : sipurim
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> And t you could even add two variant titles:
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> 246 3 Mo'ed alef
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> 246 3 Mo'ed rishon
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> Best, Heidi
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> As a convention, ordinal numerals are generally transcribed with a period.
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> In the non
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> roman
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> bibliographic record, the period goes to the left of the numeral if it is
> transcribed as such
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> As a convention, ordinal numerals are generally transcribed with a period.
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> In the non
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> -
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> roman
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> bibliographic record, the period goes to the left of the numeral if it is
> transcribed as such
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> Heidi G. Lerner
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> Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica
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> Metadata Dept.
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> Stanford University Libraries
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> Stanford, CA 94305-6004
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> ph: 650-725-9953
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> fax: 650-725-1120
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> e-mail: lerner at stanford.edu
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> *From:* Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Yossi
> Galron <jgalron at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 23, 2016 2:08 PM
> *To:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] כיתות ג' עד ו'
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> Uri,
> I agree with you - it should be kitot 1 ad 6
> Now I have another case that has the same problem: there is a book by Ruth
> Lorand
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> o        מועד א' : סיפורים (תל-אביב : ספרית פועלים, תשל"ז 1977)
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> In this case I would romanize it as "Mo'ed 1" and add a 246 with "Mo'ed
> alef"
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> Yossi
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> So, I always thought that this would be “kitot 3 ‘ad 6”, but now I see
> different practices which would translate to “Gimel ‘ad Ṿaṿ”, or even “G.
> ‘ad Ṿ”
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> ???
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> Thanks,
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> Uri
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