[Heb-NACO] FW: כיתות ג' עד ו'

Mon Mar 28 10:40:48 EDT 2016

Yossi is one of lamed vav tsadikim ☺

From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Yossi Galron
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2016 9:35 AM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] FW: כיתות ג' עד ו'

If it says א - a native speaker will say Alef and so on.

Kitah Alef..., Pelugah Bet...,  Dargah Kaf-vav .... Deganyah Bet .... etc.

Not Kitah rishonah or Kitah ahat ... etc.

Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger
E-Mail: galron.1 at osu.edu<mailto:galron.1 at osu.edu>  or jgalron at gmail.com<mailto:jgalron at gmail.com>
Tel.: (614) 292-3362,  Fax: (614)292-1918
Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit

On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 9:25 AM, Neil Manel Frau-Cortes <nfrau at umd.edu<mailto:nfrau at umd.edu>> wrote:

Right, thanks.

Then my question is: does the absence of a geresh make the number an ordinal? In other words, when a native speaker sees an Aleph without a dot, does she tend to read “rishonah” instead of “ahat”?

Neil M. Frau-Cortes, Ph.D.
Judaica, Hebraica and Metadata Cataloger
McKeldin Library
University of Maryland
College Park, MD 20742
Phone (301) 405-9337<tel:%28301%29%20405-9337>
nfrau at umd.edu<http://nfrau@umd.edu>

From: Kolodney, Uri [mailto:kolodney at austin.utexas.edu]
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 3:46 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Cc: Neil Manel Frau-Cortes
Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] כיתות ג' עד ו'

The images did not go through….. (I attach them here again for Neil)
Anyway, yes, it does happen.
Uri

From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+kolodney=austin.utexas.edu at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Kolodney, Uri
Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2016 2:41 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] כיתות ג' עד ו'

Certainly!
See ב examples attached 😊
Uri

Sent from my Windows Phone
________________________________
From: Neil Manel Frau-Cortes<mailto:nfrau at umd.edu>
Sent: ‎3/‎24/‎2016 14:35
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<mailto:heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] כיתות ג' עד ו'
Does it happen that Hebrew numbers are written without geresh (one character) or gershayim (more than one character)?

Neil M. Frau-Cortes, Ph.D.
Judaica, Hebraica and Metadata Cataloger
McKeldin Library
University of Maryland
College Park, MD 20742
Phone (301) 405-9337<tel:%28301%29%20405-9337>
nfrau at umd.edu<http://nfrau@umd.edu>

From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+nfrau=umd.edu at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Heidi G Lerner
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 5:40 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] כיתות ג' עד ו'

Hi Yosi,

 I think that you should add a period after the number "1". If a Hebrew cardinal number is followed by a "'" [geresh] doesn't that make it an ordinal number?

i.e.

א  = 1

א׳ = .1

ׁAccording to RDA Hebraica cataloging:
As a convention, ordinal numerals are generally transcribed with a period.
In the nonroman bibliographic record, the period goes to the left of the numeral if it is transcribed as such

So I think that    מועד א' [geresh after the א]
would be transcribed in the 245 as Moed 1. : sipurim

And t you could even add two variant titles:

246 3 Mo'ed alef
246 3 Mo'ed rishon

Best, Heidi

As a convention, ordinal numerals are generally transcribed with a period.
In the non
-
roman
bibliographic record, the period goes to the left of the numeral if it is transcribed as such
As a convention, ordinal numerals are generally transcribed with a period.
In the non
-
roman
bibliographic record, the period goes to the left of the numeral if it is transcribed as such

Heidi G. Lerner

Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica

Metadata Dept.

Stanford University Libraries

Stanford, CA 94305-6004

ph: 650-725-9953<tel:650-725-9953>

fax: 650-725-1120<tel:650-725-1120>

e-mail: lerner at stanford.edu<mailto:lerner at stanford.edu>

________________________________
From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu>> on behalf of Yossi Galron <jgalron at gmail.com<mailto:jgalron at gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2016 2:08 PM
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] כיתות ג' עד ו'

Uri,
I agree with you - it should be kitot 1 ad 6
Now I have another case that has the same problem: there is a book by Ruth Lorand
o        מועד א' : סיפורים (תל-אביב : ספרית פועלים, תשל"ז 1977)

In this case I would romanize it as "Mo'ed 1" and add a 246 with "Mo'ed alef"

Yossi

o
So, I always thought that this would be “kitot 3 ‘ad 6”, but now I see different practices which would translate to “Gimel ‘ad Ṿaṿ”, or even “G. ‘ad Ṿ”
???
Thanks,
Uri

________________________________________________________
Uri Kolodney
Non-Roman Processing Unit, Head
Hebrew, Jewish, and Israel Studies Librarian
University of Texas Libraries
The University of Texas at Austin
PCL 1.342A | Mail Code S5440 | PO Box P Austin, TX 78713-8916
Phone: 512-495-4399<tel:512-495-4399>|kolodney at austin.utexas.edu<mailto:kolodney at austin.utexas.edu>

_______________________________________________
Heb-naco mailing list
Heb-naco at lists.osu.edu<mailto:Heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco

_______________________________________________
Heb-naco mailing list
Heb-naco at lists.osu.edu<mailto:Heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/heb-naco/attachments/20160328/69d88677/attachment-0001.html>