[Heb-NACO] 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?

[Robert M. TALBOTT]

Thanks Jamine.

That's certainly one reading, but I was wondering if we might have one
of the authors of the HCM weigh in.




On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin
<jshino at pobox.upenn.edu> wrote:
> 1. You write below "present on the t.p. verso" and "present on the publication"; remember that both are equivalent in terms of RDA.  The entire body of work is considered the "preferred source of information" (formerly, "chief source of information", or "csi").  Where equivalent data appears in both vernacular and Roman forms, the "=" is used to show the two "parallel" forms.
>
> 2. Unless a work _specifically_ indicates a publication dates, the dates in the 264 are bracketed.  Hence, anywhere you have either a _copyright_ or a _printing_ date, it will be in brackets.
>
> Putting 1. and 2. together:
>
> A. If the resource gives a date anywhere in the publication in _both_ the Hebrew and the Gregorian forms, the 264 would give both, using the = to indicate both are present.
> B. If the date is something other than a publication date and appears in _both_ the Hebrew and the Gregorian forms, it will appear as [Heb. = Greg.].
> C. If a publication date is ONLY given in the Heb., the Heb. form will appear without brackets and "that is" will be added to give the inferred Greg. date inside brackets.
> D. If a publication date is ONLY given in the Heb., BUT there is another form of the date in the Greg. OR a more detailed Heb. date appears elsewhere in the source, the Heb. form will appear without brackets and the inferred Greg. date will be given in brackets, without either "=" or "that is" because the data is neither equivalent nor inferred.
>
> Capiche?  Others, did I miss anything?
>
> Jasmin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Robert M. TALBOTT
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 2:04 PM
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> Subject: [Heb-NACO] 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?
>
> Folks:
>
> I've been seeing an awful lot of bracketed dates utilizing the equals
> (=) sign, to wit:
>
> where only a copyright of 774 and a copyright of 2014 are present on the t.p. verso
>
> $c [774 = 2014]
>
> As I read the HCM (2.8.6, pp. 47-48), it appears that the equals sign is only used in instances where there are two firm dates that are unbracketed.  Again, as I understand it, inside brackets, the phrase "that is" is used.
>
> where only a copyright of 774 and a copyright of 2014 are present on the publication
>
> $c [774, that is, 2014]
>
> Am I wrong? Have things changed?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob
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>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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Bob Talbott

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UC Berkeley

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Berkeley, CA 94720

I'm just mad about Saffron