[Heb-NACO] 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?

[Neil Manel Frau-Cortes]

I thought that in your B case we were supposed to write [Heb, that is, Greg]

Neil

On Wed, Jul 20, 2016 at 3:12 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino at pobox.upenn.edu>
wrote:

> 1. You write below "present on the t.p. verso" and "present on the
> publication"; remember that both are equivalent in terms of RDA.  The
> entire body of work is considered the "preferred source of information"
> (formerly, "chief source of information", or "csi").  Where equivalent data
> appears in both vernacular and Roman forms, the "=" is used to show the two
> "parallel" forms.
>
> 2. Unless a work _specifically_ indicates a publication dates, the dates
> in the 264 are bracketed.  Hence, anywhere you have either a _copyright_ or
> a _printing_ date, it will be in brackets.
>
> Putting 1. and 2. together:
>
> A. If the resource gives a date anywhere in the publication in _both_ the
> Hebrew and the Gregorian forms, the 264 would give both, using the = to
> indicate both are present.
> B. If the date is something other than a publication date and appears in
> _both_ the Hebrew and the Gregorian forms, it will appear as [Heb. = Greg.].
> C. If a publication date is ONLY given in the Heb., the Heb. form will
> appear without brackets and "that is" will be added to give the inferred
> Greg. date inside brackets.
> D. If a publication date is ONLY given in the Heb., BUT there is another
> form of the date in the Greg. OR a more detailed Heb. date appears
> elsewhere in the source, the Heb. form will appear without brackets and the
> inferred Greg. date will be given in brackets, without either "=" or "that
> is" because the data is neither equivalent nor inferred.
>
> Capiche?  Others, did I miss anything?
>
> Jasmin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of
> Robert M. TALBOTT
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 2:04 PM
> To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
> Subject: [Heb-NACO] 264 bracketed dates: = or that is?
>
> Folks:
>
> I've been seeing an awful lot of bracketed dates utilizing the equals
> (=) sign, to wit:
>
> where only a copyright of 774 and a copyright of 2014 are present on the
> t.p. verso
>
> $c [774 = 2014]
>
> As I read the HCM (2.8.6, pp. 47-48), it appears that the equals sign is
> only used in instances where there are two firm dates that are
> unbracketed.  Again, as I understand it, inside brackets, the phrase "that
> is" is used.
>
> where only a copyright of 774 and a copyright of 2014 are present on the
> publication
>
> $c [774, that is, 2014]
>
> Am I wrong? Have things changed?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bob
> --
> Bob Talbott
>
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>
> UC Berkeley
>
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>
> Berkeley, CA 94720
>
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*Neil M. Frau-Cortes, Ph.D.*

Judaica, Hebraica and Metadata Cataloger

McKeldin Library

University of Maryland
College Park, MD 20742
Phone (301) 405-9337

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