[Heb-NACO] Avi Primor's Suss und ehrenvoll

[Netanel Ganin]

Good sleuthing Yossi!

So by this reckoning we should have

1. Hebrew title as uniform title
2. Classed in the PJs

If this sounds good, I'll get to updating the bib records and create the
expression record (for the German) later today

Netanel Ganin
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Metadata Coordinator -- Hebrew Specialty
Brandeis University
(781) 736-4645 / nganin at brandeis.edu

My pronouns are he/him/his


On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 5:27 PM, Joseph Galron-Goldschlaeger <
galron.1 at osu.edu> wrote:

> The book by Avi Primor was written in Hebrew and translated into German by Beate
> Esther von Schwarze
> See Avi Promor's page in the Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature
>
> https://library.osu.edu/projects/hebrew-lexicon/02863.php
>
> The book was was translated into German from an Hebrew manuscript. The
> Hebrew edition was published two years later.
>
> Yossi
>
>
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> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Robert M. TALBOTT <
> rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>
>> HI:
>>
>> I'm pretty sure I did the work on this.
>>
>> Translations will not always say they are translations, but are never
>> the less.  In this case, I understood the inclusion of "Suss und
>> Ehrenvoll copyright 2014 first published in Germany" on the t.p. verso
>> to be a pretty cut and dried assertion of translation-ness.  If you
>> have data that counters this, then by all means correct.
>>
>> Generally speaking, the first published language version of a work is
>> treated as the base language, even if it was translated into that
>> language.  Since the German was published first, I would say that that
>> should regarded as the base language, even if it was translated from a
>> Hebrew manuscript.
>>
>> I can't explain the 050, and I'd like to assume I had a reason, but I
>> don't remember.  It may just be an error. Again, if it's wrong, then
>> correct.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Netanel Ganin <nganin at brandeis.edu>
>> wrote:
>> > Hey crew,
>> >
>> > I have Avi Primor's Milḥamah ha-gedolah shel Ludṿig ṿe-Luʼi sitting
>> in
>> > front of me (OCLC 909000876) and the record is pcc so I'm inclined to
>> trust
>> > it, but I'm just confused by something:
>> >
>> > There's a 240 of "Süss und ehrenvoll. ǂl Hebrew" indicating that this
>> is a
>> > translation from the German into the Hebrew, but nothing on the book
>> > indicates that it was translated. Furthermore, the call number is a PJ
>> > number, but if it were a translation from the German, it should be a PT
>> > number, no?
>> >
>> > The publication date is 775, 2015. I mention the date because I dug up
>> (OCLC
>> > 861198812) which was pubbed in 2013,
>> >
>> > Here, the 245 (no 240 at all) says: Süss und ehrenvoll : ǂb Roman / ǂc
>> Avi
>> > Primor ; aus dem Hebräischen von Beate Esther von Schwarze.
>> >
>> > So this earlier book is claiming it was translated from the Hebrew into
>> > German!
>> >
>> > Any thoughts on untangling this thorny knot?
>> >
>> > Netanel Ganin
>> > ------------------------------------------------------------
>> > Metadata Coordinator -- Hebrew Specialty
>> > Brandeis University
>> > (781) 736-4645 / nganin at brandeis.edu
>> >
>> > My pronouns are he/him/his
>> >
>> >
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>>
>> --
>> Bob Talbott
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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