[Heb-NACO] generic name title authorities?

Wed Oct 22 13:41:30 EDT 2014

Dear Yosi, 
I can assure you that your thoughts are shared by many. Our own AJL RAS cataloging committee has written a letter to LC and JSC about this issue as have other constituencies. 
Yes it is frustrating. 
H 

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From: "Yossi Galron" <jgalron at gmail.com> 
To: "Hebrew Name Authority Funnel" <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:38:22 AM 
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] generic name title authorities? 

What a waste of time, energy and computer bits. 

So does it mean that we need to prepare an Authority record for each booklet of poetry that Joe Smith is publishing every Monday and Thursday with a preferred [i.e. Uniform] title: "Poems. Selections (year, month, day)" ? 
Isn't easier just to have the title of the compilation [i.e. book]? 

Long live the growing backlogs .... 

Yossi 

Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger 
E-Mail: galron.1 at osu.edu or jgalron at gmail.com 
Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918 
Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit 

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Heidi G Lerner < lerner at stanford.edu > wrote: 

Hi Bob, 

Yes, example 1 was the practice under AACR2 and is incorrect in RDA 

The rules have changed in RDA. According to RDA 6.4: 
Date of work is a core element to identify a treaty. Date of work is also a core element when needed to differentiate a work from another work with the same title or from the name of a person, family, or corporate body. 

According to appendix E 1.2.5: 
Enclose a word, phrase, DATE, or other designation used for conflict resolution in parentheses. 

(In the case of sacred works we precede the year of publication of a sacred scripture by a full stop and a space) 

So under RDA the second and third examples are each considered different works. I just had this situation the other day, see below: 
010 no2013044403 
040 CSt-HC ǂb eng ǂe rda ǂc CSt-HC ǂd CSt 
1001 Someck, Ronny. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2012) 
4001 Someck, Ronny. ǂt Agam ha-barbaruim 
670 Someck, Ronny. Agam ha-barbaruim, 2012. 

010 no2014137325 
040 CSt-HC ǂb eng ǂe rda ǂc CSt-HC ǂd CSt-HC 
1001 Someck, Ronny. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2014) 
4001 Someck, Ronny. ǂt Roni Someḳ seriṭah be-marpeḳ ha-shirah 
670 Someck, Ronny. Roni Someḳ seriṭah be-marpeḳ ha-shirah, 2014. 

Note that LC and PCC practice require that catalogers add date to any conventional collective title that begins with Works even if we don't need to break conflict. 

Best, Heidi 

From: "Robert M. TALBOTT" < rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu > 
To: "Hebrew Name Authority Funnel" < heb-naco at lists.service.ohio-state.edu > 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:41:54 PM 
Subject: [Heb-NACO] generic name title authorities? 

Folks: 

I just ran into an RDA name title authority set up for two works, to wit 

[name]. $t Poems. $k Selections 
[name]. $t Work 1 
[name]. $t Work 2 

I was under the impression that the above was a thing of the past and that RDA insisted upon the following: 

record 1 
[name]. $t Poems. $k Selections 
[name]. $t Work 1 

record 2 
[name]. $t Poems. $k Selections (distinguishing term) 
[name]. $t Work 2 

Am I wrong? Are both situations possible? 

B 

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