<html><body><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000"><div>Dear Yosi,<br></div><div>I can assure you that your thoughts are shared by many. Our own AJL RAS cataloging committee has written a letter to LC and JSC about this issue as have other constituencies. <br></div><div>Yes it is frustrating.<br></div><div>H<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Yossi Galron" <jgalron@gmail.com><br><b>To: </b>"Hebrew Name Authority Funnel" <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:38:22 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [Heb-NACO] generic name title authorities?<br><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">What a waste of time, energy and computer bits.<div><br></div><div>So does it mean that we need to prepare an Authority record for each booklet of poetry that Joe Smith is publishing every Monday and Thursday with a preferred [i.e. Uniform] title: "Poems. Selections (year, month, day)" ?</div><div>Isn't easier just to have the title of the compilation [i.e. book]?</div><div><br></div><div>Long live the growing backlogs ....</div><div><br></div><div>Yossi</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<br>E-Mail: <a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a> or <a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a><br>Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918<br>Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank">http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</a><br></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Heidi G Lerner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu" target="_blank">lerner@stanford.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:#000000"><div>Hi Bob,<br></div><div><br></div><div>Yes, example 1 was the practice under AACR2 and is incorrect in RDA<br></div><div><br></div><div>The rules have changed in RDA. According to RDA 6.4:<br></div><div><em>Date of work is a core element to identify a treaty. Date of work is also a core element when needed to differentiate a work from another work with the same title or from the name of a person, family, or corporate body. <a href="http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdarev201204&target=r201204-102#r201204-102" target="_blank"><img alt="" src="http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/revision201204link.png" width="38" height="13"></a></em><br></div><div><br></div><div>According to appendix E 1.2.5:<br></div><div><em>Enclose a word, phrase, DATE, or other designation used for conflict resolution in parentheses.</em></div><div><em><br></em></div><div><em>(In the case of sacred works we precede the year of publication of a sacred scripture by a full stop and a space)</em></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>So under RDA the second and third examples are each considered different works. I just had this situation the other day, see below:<br></div><div>010 no2013044403<br>040 CSt-HC ǂb eng ǂe rda ǂc CSt-HC ǂd CSt<br>1001 Someck, Ronny. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2012)<br>4001 Someck, Ronny. ǂt Agam ha-barbaruim<br>670 Someck, Ronny. Agam ha-barbaruim, 2012.</div><div><br></div><div>010 no2014137325<br>040 CSt-HC ǂb eng ǂe rda ǂc CSt-HC ǂd CSt-HC<br>1001 Someck, Ronny. ǂt Works. ǂk Selections (2014)<br>4001 Someck, Ronny. ǂt Roni Someḳ seriṭah be-marpeḳ ha-shirah<br>670 Someck, Ronny. Roni Someḳ seriṭah be-marpeḳ ha-shirah, 2014.</div><div><br></div><div>Note that LC and PCC practice require that catalogers add date to any conventional collective title that begins with Works even if we don't need to break conflict. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Best, Heidi<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><hr><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><b>From: </b>"Robert M. TALBOTT" <<a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Hebrew Name Authority Funnel" <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, October 21, 2014 4:41:54 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>[Heb-NACO] generic name title authorities?<div><div class="h5"><br><div><br></div><div dir="ltr">Folks:<div><br></div><div>I just ran into an RDA name title authority set up for two works, to wit</div><div><br></div><div>[name]. $t Poems. $k Selections</div><div>[name]. $t Work 1<br></div><div>[name]. $t Work 2</div><div><br></div><div>I was under the impression that the above was a thing of the past and that RDA insisted upon the following:</div><div><br></div><div>record 1</div><div><div>[name]. $t Poems. $k Selections</div><div>[name]. $t Work 1</div></div><div><br></div><div>record 2</div><div><div>[name]. $t Poems. $k Selections (distinguishing term)</div><div>[name]. $t Work 2</div></div><div><br></div><div>Am I wrong? Are both situations possible? </div><div><br></div><div>B</div><div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><pre><span>Bob Talbott</span></pre><pre><span>Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger</span></pre><pre><span>UC Berkeley</span></pre><pre><span>250 Moffitt</span></pre><pre><span>Berkeley, CA 94720</span></pre><pre><span>
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