[Heb-NACO] romanization of קוקטייל

[Yossi Galron]

Jasmin
If דריי (three) is in Yiddish - shouldn't it be Dray?

Yossi


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On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Jasmin Nof <jnof at upenn.edu> wrote:

>  Except that 'ai' is the romanization used for when the vocalization
> preceding the yod is a patah; here the romanization preceding the yod is a
> tsere.  ALA-LC romanization calls for 'e' in such cases.  So, yes, דריי is
> Drai, but if you romanize קוקטייל as koktail, you imply that the two words
> are rhymes, which they clearly are not.
>
>
> On 10/21/2013 11:33 AM, Robert M. TALBOTT wrote:
>
> Folks:
>
> The way I would habve approached the data
> 24510 [vernacular double yud form from tp]
> 24510 Drai matini kotail
> 2463  [vernacular single yud form from ESh
> 2463  Drai martini koktel
>
> The reason why this is causing so much trouble is that in our romanization
> scheme, double yud represents either "ai," the default form, or a XyX where
> the yud has a degesh (I honestly can't think of any instances where double
> yud represent a non-dageshed yud hauling a tsere or a segol, but I could be
> wrong).  So, for my money the best way to treat would be to transcribe
> what's on the piece according to usual practice (koktail; add a [sic] if
> you're still using AACR2) and to add the ESh form as an add title.
>
> My opnion is my own, and I defer to Those Who Know.
>
> Bob
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Jasmin Nof <jnof at upenn.edu> wrote:
>
>>  So in other words, I ought to add a 24633 for קוקטיל?
>>
>> On 10/21/2013 8:14 AM, Elhanan Adler wrote:
>>
>>  Fyi
>>
>>
>>
>> Standard Israeli practice today is to add 24633s for title in alternate
>> ketiv since, for example the reader usually has no idea if the dictionary
>> he is looking for is titled
>>
>> מלון or מילון
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Elhanan
>>
>>
>>
>> Elhanan Adler
>>
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>> *From:* heb-naco-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu [
>> mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu<heb-naco-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Jasmin Nof
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 18, 2013 10:54 PM
>> *To:* Heidi G Lerner; Jasmin Nof
>> *Cc:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
>> *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of קוקטייל
>>
>>
>>
>> ok, so i just fixed the 245 to koktel (with appropriate diacritics) and
>> deleted the extraneous 246.  thanks for your prompt response!
>>
>> On 10/18/2013 3:45 PM, Heidi G Lerner wrote:
>>
>>  Oops,
>> I read the e-mail too oquickly about the tsere. I was thinking that it
>> appeared on the resource.
>>
>>
>>
>> No, to the best of my knowledge incorrect romanizations should not be as
>> added in 246s. The LC-PCC PS for 2.3.6.3 offers guidelines and best
>> practices for making variant titles for permutations related to the title
>> proper. There is no discussion onrecording variant or incorrect
>> transliterations (unless found somewhere on the resource). Maher discusses
>> alternative romanizations in Hebraica Cataloging but only in regards to
>> providing alternative romanizations as references to Hebraica names.
>>
>>
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