[Heb-NACO] romanization of קוקטייל

[Jasmin Nof]

Except that 'ai' is the romanization used for when the vocalization 
preceding the yod is a patah; here the romanization preceding the yod is 
a tsere.  ALA-LC romanization calls for 'e' in such cases.  So, yes, 
דריי is Drai, but if you romanize קוקטייל as koktail, you imply that the 
two words are rhymes, which they clearly are not.

On 10/21/2013 11:33 AM, Robert M. TALBOTT wrote:
> Folks:
> The way I would habve approached the data
> 24510 [vernacular double yud form from tp]
> 24510 Drai matini kotail
> 2463  [vernacular single yud form from ESh
> 2463  Drai martini koktel
> The reason why this is causing so much trouble is that in our 
> romanization scheme, double yud represents either "ai," the default 
> form, or a XyX where the yud has a degesh (I honestly can't think of 
> any instances where double yud represent a non-dageshed yud hauling a 
> tsere or a segol, but I could be wrong).  So, for my money the best 
> way to treat would be to transcribe what's on the piece according to 
> usual practice (koktail; add a [sic] if you're still using AACR2) and 
> to add the ESh form as an add title.
> My opnion is my own, and I defer to Those Who Know.
> Bob
> On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Jasmin Nof <jnof at upenn.edu 
> <mailto:jnof at upenn.edu>> wrote:
>
>     So in other words, I ought to add a 24633 for קוקטיל?
>
>     On 10/21/2013 8:14 AM, Elhanan Adler wrote:
>>
>>     Fyi
>>
>>     Standard Israeli practice today is to add 24633s for title in
>>     alternate ketiv since, for example the reader usually has no idea
>>     if the dictionary he is looking for is titled
>>
>>     מלוןor מילון
>>
>>     Elhanan
>>
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>>     [mailto:heb-naco-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu] *On Behalf
>>     Of *Jasmin Nof
>>     *Sent:* Friday, October 18, 2013 10:54 PM
>>     *To:* Heidi G Lerner; Jasmin Nof
>>     *Cc:* Hebrew Name Authority Funnel
>>     *Subject:* Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of קוקטייל
>>
>>     ok, so i just fixed the 245 to koktel (with appropriate
>>     diacritics) and deleted the extraneous 246.  thanks for your
>>     prompt response!
>>
>>     On 10/18/2013 3:45 PM, Heidi G Lerner wrote:
>>
>>         Oops,
>>         I read the e-mail too oquickly about the tsere. I was
>>         thinking that it appeared on the resource.
>>
>>         No, to the best of my knowledge incorrect romanizations
>>         should not be as added in 246s. The LC-PCC PS for 2.3.6.3
>>         offers guidelines and best practices for making variant
>>         titles for permutations related to the title proper. There is
>>         no discussion onrecording variant or incorrect
>>         transliterations (unless found somewhere on the resource).
>>         Maher discusses alternative romanizations in Hebraica
>>         Cataloging but only in regards to providing alternative
>>         romanizations as references to Hebraica names.
>>
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