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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Except that 'ai' is the romanization
used for when the vocalization preceding the yod is a patah; here
the romanization preceding the yod is a tsere. ALA-LC
romanization calls for 'e' in such cases. So, yes, דריי is Drai,
but if you romanize קוקטייל as koktail, you imply that the two
words are rhymes, which they clearly are not.<br>
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On 10/21/2013 11:33 AM, Robert M. TALBOTT wrote:<br>
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<div>Folks:</div>
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<div>The way I would habve approached the data</div>
<div>24510 [vernacular double yud form from tp]</div>
<div>24510 Drai matini kotail</div>
<div>2463 [vernacular single yud form from ESh</div>
<div>2463 Drai martini koktel</div>
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<div>The reason why this is causing so much trouble is that in our
romanization scheme, double yud represents either "ai," the
default form, or a XyX where the yud has a degesh (I honestly
can't think of any instances where double yud represent a
non-dageshed yud hauling a tsere or a segol, but I could be
wrong). So, for my money the best way to treat would be to
transcribe what's on the piece according to usual practice
(koktail; add a [sic] if you're still using AACR2) and to add
the ESh form as an add title.</div>
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<div>My opnion is my own, and I defer to Those Who Know.</div>
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<div>Bob</div>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 8:18 AM, Jasmin
Nof <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div>So in other words, I ought to add a 24633 for קוקטיל?<br>
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On 10/21/2013 8:14 AM, Elhanan Adler wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Fyi</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt">Standard
Israeli practice today is to add 24633s for title in
alternate ketiv since, for example the reader
usually has no idea if the dictionary he is looking
for is titled</span></p>
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style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"></span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"
dir="rtl" lang="HE">מלון</span><span dir="ltr"></span><span
dir="ltr"></span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Calibri','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"><span
dir="ltr"></span><span dir="ltr"></span> or </span><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:11pt"
dir="rtl" lang="HE">מילון</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:10pt">Elhanan</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:10pt">Elhanan
Adler </span></p>
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style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:10pt">Email:
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:elhanana@savion.huji.ac.il"
target="_blank">elhanana@savion.huji.ac.il</a></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';COLOR:#1f497d;FONT-SIZE:10pt">Mobile
tel.: 972-54-6829657</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';COLOR:windowtext;FONT-SIZE:10pt">From:</span></b><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Tahoma','sans-serif';COLOR:windowtext;FONT-SIZE:10pt">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu"
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[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jasmin Nof<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 18, 2013 10:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Heidi G Lerner; Jasmin Nof<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization of <span
dir="rtl" lang="HE">קוקטייל</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ok, so i just fixed the 245 to
koktel (with appropriate diacritics) and deleted the
extraneous 246. thanks for your prompt response!<br>
<br>
On 10/18/2013 3:45 PM, Heidi G Lerner wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">Oops,
<br>
I read the e-mail too oquickly about the
tsere. I was thinking that it appeared on the
resource. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="FONT-FAMILY:'Arial','sans-serif'">No,
to the best of my knowledge incorrect
romanizations should not be as added in 246s.
The LC-PCC PS for 2.3.6.3 offers guidelines
and best practices for making variant titles
for permutations related to the title proper.
There is no discussion onrecording variant or
incorrect transliterations (unless found
somewhere on the resource). Maher discusses
alternative romanizations in Hebraica
Cataloging but only in regards to providing
alternative romanizations as references to
Hebraica names.</span></p>
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