[Vwoolf] Fw: Fancy not knowing that!

Mon Apr 5 12:54:16 EDT 2021

But did you know, Stuart, that Wincarnis (advertised on the bus) was 
originally a blend of wine and meat (the clue is in the name). British 
Prime Minister Harold Wilson was mercilessly ribbed by the satirical 
magazine Private Eye for allegedly drinking Wincarnis. It was a bit too 
lower class a beverage for the toffs who ran the Eye. See

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wincarnis__;!!KGKeukY!nxzQGAHMoFQ2fxFYBk9Or_akVIIx0fEQ__JZTHuX2pxX3BojSk96hfviVEMo8WCU0Jo$ 

I doubt that Wincarnis appears in a Woolf novel . . .

Jeremy H

On 05.04.2021 18:43, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote:
> Vara’s brought my attention to this article:
> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://londonist.com/london/transport/londons-pirate-buses__;!!KGKeukY!nxzQGAHMoFQ2fxFYBk9Or_akVIIx0fEQ__JZTHuX2pxX3BojSk96hfviVEMoGG_Leq0$  
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://londonist.com/london/transport/londons-pirate-buses__;!!KGKeukY!nkFdJmmBCfmKNAqdtzR2Kcpyw9-OesdXBf5cWkmp-LqqrTY9TU_OCxaGA_cHxJ4Khng$>
> Now, the first (non-advert) picture you see is of a London General in 
> Trafalgar Sq.  If Elizabeth had *not* taken a pirate, she might have 
> taken this one, as the 38 went along Victoria Street (I think).  
> Here’s the real thing in Trafalgar Sq:
> image
> The article is biased against the pirates.  How capitalist do you want 
> to be?  Are you in favo(u)r of competition?  Do you want public 
> transport nationalised?
> Here’s a more balanced assessment about when Arthur George Partridge 
> started Chocolate Express bus routes:
> DSC07327
> Stuart
> *From:* Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf
> *Sent:* Monday, April 5, 2021 5:18 PM
> *To:* Jeremy Hawthorn ; vwoolf
> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] Fancy not knowing that!
> I have to admit that I thought the same about pirate buses.  One of 
> our VWSGB Members told me.  Now I’ve discovered lots of info.  Below 
> is the most famous: the “Chocolate Express”.
> Here’s an example of something I didn’t know I didn’t know until I 
> found out I didn’t know a few years ago:  what’s a street scavenger?  
> They pop up in T. S. Eliot’s ‘A Cooking Egg’ (1920): ‘The red-eyed 
> scavengers are creeping | From Kentish Town and Golder’s Green’.  They 
> are also mentioned in “The Years” and “Jacob’s Room”.
> Answer: persons ‘whose employment is to clean streets, by scraping or 
> sweeping together and removing dirt’ (OED).
> Stuart
> DSC07322
> *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf
> *Sent:* Monday, April 5, 2021 4:48 PM
> *To:* vwoolf
> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] Fancy not knowing that!
>
> It's a good example of what for many might be an unknown unknown: 
> those unfamiliar with cricket might well assume that the nets are for 
> tennis. (Another unknown unknown for me was the pirate bus in Mrs 
> Dalloway - which before you contextualised it, Stuart, I thought was 
> just a bit of romancing on Elizabeth's part. Annotators, I agree, need 
> to be alert to the possibility of such ignorance.) The things we know 
> we don't know can always be looked up; the things we don't know we 
> don't know remain unresearched.
>
> J
>
> On 05.04.2021 17:23, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote:
>> It was intended as a gentle tease of foreigners outwith the Empire – 
>> but also an implied criticism of annotated editions that don’t 
>> explain what readers might need to know.
>> Stuart
>> *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf
>> *Sent:* Monday, April 5, 2021 4:10 PM
>> *To:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
>> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] Fancy not knowing that!
>>
>> I suspect you of playing "tease the foreigner" Stuart! I had a memory 
>> that when in Hollywood, Sir Cedric Hardwicke expected all expatriot 
>> Brits to turn up for net practice for the local cricket team, but 
>> could not find this on line. But I did find this, from around the 
>> time of /The Waves/:
>>
>> "The headmaster of High Wycombe Royal Grammar School, Mr. E.R.Tucker, 
>> in an effort to stimulate the interest of parents in school affairs, 
>> has arranged cricket practice at the nets for fathers once a week."
>>
>> Evening Post, Wednesday August 14, 1935
>>
>> On 05.04.2021 16:40, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote:
>>> When the boys are at school in “The Waves”, Louis “said”:
>>> “We are parting, some to tea; some to the nets ...”
>>> Alles klar?
>>> Stuart
>>> (Day 384)
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