[Vwoolf] A SKETCH OF THE PAST: the Pup (Stuart N. Clarke)
Carol Mesquita
carol.mesquita at gmail.com
Wed Jul 15 14:53:59 EDT 2020
Dear Stuart,
Thank you so much for your help! This was really enlightening. I really
think it must have been W.W. Asquith, as you pointed out. I am going to
write a note on it, stating that although there is no certainty about it,
this must probably be the case.
Thank you once again.
Best,
Ana Carolina
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> From: "Stuart N. Clarke" <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>
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> This is a very interesting question. I?m fairly (not 100%) sure I?ve got
> the answer right.
>
> It appears to have been the nickname of W. W. Asquith, ?brother of the
> future Prime Minister (known because of his sarcastic tongue as ?the
> Pup??but Frank came to like him)?. This I found using Google Books (bio.
> of Francis Younghusband), but I can?t see any more online. Anyway, Thoby
> was in Asquith?s (boarding) House at Clifton College.
>
> I haven?t quite grasped why a sarcastic tongue would result in someone
> being called a ?pup?. The closest I can spot in the OED is
> A young man, esp. one who is stupid, arrogant, or unpleasant.Stuart
> (Day 118)
>
> From: Carol Mesquita via Vwoolf
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:37 PM
> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
> Subject: [Vwoolf] A SKETCH OF THE PAST: the Pup
>
> Dear all,
>
> Hope you are all safe and well.
>
> I am translating "A Sketch of the Past" into Brazilian Portuguese and came
> across a term that seemed obscure to me. The passage in which it appears is
> about Thoby:
>
> He held his own, he put up with disagreeables; he was far more
> philosophic, because more in his element than Adrian was. And he exacted
> his rights. The Pup had to apologise when he put another boy over him as
> head of the house; he was not going to be passed over. (Harcourt, 1985, p.
> 126.)
>
> I could not find what, or who, "the Pup" is. If anybody could help, that
> would be great. I thank you in advance!
>
> Best regards,
> Ana Carolina Mesquita
>
>
>
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> From: "K L Levenback" <kllevenback at att.net>
> To: "" <vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>
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> >From yet another sharp-eyed friend:
>
> I just saw this: "But the spirit of the characters seems most apparent
> to me in her 2012 picture book, Virginia Wolf?illustrated by Isabelle
> Arsenault?a storybook fantasia on the childhood relationship between
> Vanessa Stephen and her sister Virginia, who would one day be known as
> Virginia Woolf. It begins, not unlike Frog and Toad are Friends, with
> Virginia nestled in bed, refusing to get out. Vanessa narrates, ?One day my
> sister Virginia woke up feeling wolfish.?":
>
> https://slate.com/culture/2020/07/frog-and-toad-anniversary-arnold-lobel.html
> [
> https://slate.com/culture/2020/07/frog-and-toad-anniversary-arnold-lobel.html
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> ?
> Hope you are having a happy 4th!
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> Seconding the above--
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> Dear all--
> I am researching ivy in Virginia Woolf and have discovered a pattern of
> references to owls in the ivy. I have not been able to find any literary
> origins for this association which appears no les than six times in Woolf's
> writing. Particularly curious is this allusion in her 1925 essay "Notes on
> an Elizabethan Play":
>
> and we scarcely recognise any likeness between the knight
> who imported timber and died of pneumonia at Muswell Hill and the Armenian
> Duke who fell like a Roman on his sword while the owl shrieked in the ivy
> and the Duchess gave birth to a still-born babe ?mongst women howling (E4
> 67)
>
>
> Does anyone have any idea what minor Elizabethan dramatist Woolf is
> citing here? I am at an utter loss.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elisa
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> To: Elisa Sparks <sparks at clemson.edu>
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> Some of it seems to fit John Webster's "The Duchess of Malfi."
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> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 8:34 PM Elisa Sparks via Vwoolf <
> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear all--
> > I am researching ivy in Virginia Woolf and have discovered a pattern of
> > references to owls in the ivy. I have not been able to find any
> literary
> > origins for this association which appears no les than six times in
> Woolf's
> > writing. Particularly curious is this allusion in her 1925 essay
> "Notes on
> > an Elizabethan Play":
> >
> > and we scarcely recognise any likeness between the knight
> who
> > imported timber and died of pneumonia at Muswell Hill and the Armenian
> Duke
> > who fell like a Roman on his sword while the owl shrieked in the ivy
> and
> > the Duchess gave birth to a still-born babe ?mongst women howling (E4
> 67)
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any idea what minor Elizabethan dramatist Woolf is
> citing
> > here? I am at an utter loss.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Elisa
> >
> >
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> From: coruscate818 <coruscate818 at gmail.com>
> To: Elisa Sparks <sparks at clemson.edu>
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> But I think Google Books
> <
> https://books.google.com/books?id=CF9SAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA382&lpg=PA382&dq=owl+in+the+ivy+elizabethan+play&source=bl&ots=apbWGROF36&sig=ACfU3U2EfEcNJFk7UiOP-t0Hbuj6nV1wkQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwififyX9bnqAhXxknIEHfIQAoEQ6AEwCXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=ivy&f=false
> >
> has the answer: John Marston's Histriomastix or The Player Whipped.
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 8:45 PM coruscate818 <coruscate818 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Some of it seems to fit John Webster's "The Duchess of Malfi."
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 8:34 PM Elisa Sparks via Vwoolf <
> > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all--
> >> I am researching ivy in Virginia Woolf and have discovered a pattern
> of
> >> references to owls in the ivy. I have not been able to find any
> literary
> >> origins for this association which appears no les than six times in
> Woolf's
> >> writing. Particularly curious is this allusion in her 1925 essay
> "Notes on
> >> an Elizabethan Play":
> >>
> >> and we scarcely recognise any likeness between the knight
> >> who imported timber and died of pneumonia at Muswell Hill and the
> Armenian
> >> Duke who fell like a Roman on his sword while the owl shrieked in the
> ivy
> >> and the Duchess gave birth to a still-born babe ?mongst women howling
> (E4
> >> 67)
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone have any idea what minor Elizabethan dramatist Woolf is
> >> citing here? I am at an utter loss.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Elisa
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> From: Rebecca Duncan <duncanr at meredith.edu>
> To: Elisa Sparks <sparks at clemson.edu>
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> >From a colleague:
>
> So more research is necessary, but I think that there were a few plays
> about the Duke of Savoy that might contain the right references. They?re
> not Elizabethan though; they?re Carolinian. I?ll see if I can find a text
> of Davenant?s Love and Honor and Shirley?s The Grateful Servant. Pepys
> wrote about both, I think, and Woolf would have read Pepys?
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 8:34 PM Elisa Sparks via Vwoolf <
> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear all--
> > I am researching ivy in Virginia Woolf and have discovered a pattern of
> > references to owls in the ivy. I have not been able to find any
> literary
> > origins for this association which appears no les than six times in
> Woolf's
> > writing. Particularly curious is this allusion in her 1925 essay
> "Notes on
> > an Elizabethan Play":
> >
> > and we scarcely recognise any likeness between the knight
> who
> > imported timber and died of pneumonia at Muswell Hill and the Armenian
> Duke
> > who fell like a Roman on his sword while the owl shrieked in the ivy
> and
> > the Duchess gave birth to a still-born babe ?mongst women howling (E4
> 67)
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any idea what minor Elizabethan dramatist Woolf is
> citing
> > here? I am at an utter loss.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Elisa
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> --
> Dr. Rebecca Duncan
> Professor, English
> *Meredith College*
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> From: "Stuart N. Clarke" <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>
> To: "Stuart N. Clarke" <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>,
> <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] A SKETCH OF THE PAST: the Pup
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> Podem chama-me ?o Cachorrinho?
>
> From: Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 5:18 PM
> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] A SKETCH OF THE PAST: the Pup
>
> This is a very interesting question. I?m fairly (not 100%) sure I?ve got
> the answer right.
>
> It appears to have been the nickname of W. W. Asquith, ?brother of the
> future Prime Minister (known because of his sarcastic tongue as ?the
> Pup??but Frank came to like him)?. This I found using Google Books (bio.
> of Francis Younghusband), but I can?t see any more online. Anyway, Thoby
> was in Asquith?s (boarding) House at Clifton College.
>
> I haven?t quite grasped why a sarcastic tongue would result in someone
> being called a ?pup?. The closest I can spot in the OED is
> A young man, esp. one who is stupid, arrogant, or unpleasant.Stuart
> (Day 118)
>
> From: Carol Mesquita via Vwoolf
> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:37 PM
> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
> Subject: [Vwoolf] A SKETCH OF THE PAST: the Pup
>
> Dear all,
>
> Hope you are all safe and well.
>
> I am translating "A Sketch of the Past" into Brazilian Portuguese and came
> across a term that seemed obscure to me. The passage in which it appears is
> about Thoby:
>
> He held his own, he put up with disagreeables; he was far more
> philosophic, because more in his element than Adrian was. And he exacted
> his rights. The Pup had to apologise when he put another boy over him as
> head of the house; he was not going to be passed over. (Harcourt, 1985, p.
> 126.)
>
> I could not find what, or who, "the Pup" is. If anybody could help, that
> would be great. I thank you in advance!
>
> Best regards,
> Ana Carolina Mesquita
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 11:41 PM <vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu> wrote:
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> 2. really obscure Elizabethan reference (Elisa Sparks)
> 3. Re: really obscure Elizabethan reference (coruscate818)
> 4. Re: really obscure Elizabethan reference (coruscate818)
> 5. Re: really obscure Elizabethan reference (Rebecca Duncan)
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> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 17:30:20 -0400
> From: "K L Levenback" <kllevenback at att.net>
> To: "" <vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>
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> >From yet another sharp-eyed friend:
>
> I just saw this: "But the spirit of the characters seems most apparent
> to me in her 2012 picture book, Virginia Wolf?illustrated by Isabelle
> Arsenault?a storybook fantasia on the childhood relationship between
> Vanessa Stephen and her sister Virginia, who would one day be known as
> Virginia Woolf. It begins, not unlike Frog and Toad are Friends, with
> Virginia nestled in bed, refusing to get out. Vanessa narrates, ?One day my
> sister Virginia woke up feeling wolfish.?":
>
> https://slate.com/culture/2020/07/frog-and-toad-anniversary-arnold-lobel.html
> [
> https://slate.com/culture/2020/07/frog-and-toad-anniversary-arnold-lobel.html
> ]
> ?
> Hope you are having a happy 4th!
>
> Seconding the above--
> Karen Levenback
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> From: Elisa Sparks <sparks at clemson.edu>
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> Dear all--
> I am researching ivy in Virginia Woolf and have discovered a pattern of
> references to owls in the ivy. I have not been able to find any literary
> origins for this association which appears no les than six times in Woolf's
> writing. Particularly curious is this allusion in her 1925 essay "Notes on
> an Elizabethan Play":
>
> and we scarcely recognise any likeness between the knight
> who imported timber and died of pneumonia at Muswell Hill and the Armenian
> Duke who fell like a Roman on his sword while the owl shrieked in the ivy
> and the Duchess gave birth to a still-born babe ?mongst women howling (E4
> 67)
>
>
> Does anyone have any idea what minor Elizabethan dramatist Woolf is
> citing here? I am at an utter loss.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Elisa
>
>
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> From: coruscate818 <coruscate818 at gmail.com>
> To: Elisa Sparks <sparks at clemson.edu>
> Cc: "vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu"
> <vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] really obscure Elizabethan reference
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> Some of it seems to fit John Webster's "The Duchess of Malfi."
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 8:34 PM Elisa Sparks via Vwoolf <
> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear all--
> > I am researching ivy in Virginia Woolf and have discovered a pattern of
> > references to owls in the ivy. I have not been able to find any
> literary
> > origins for this association which appears no les than six times in
> Woolf's
> > writing. Particularly curious is this allusion in her 1925 essay
> "Notes on
> > an Elizabethan Play":
> >
> > and we scarcely recognise any likeness between the knight
> who
> > imported timber and died of pneumonia at Muswell Hill and the Armenian
> Duke
> > who fell like a Roman on his sword while the owl shrieked in the ivy
> and
> > the Duchess gave birth to a still-born babe ?mongst women howling (E4
> 67)
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any idea what minor Elizabethan dramatist Woolf is
> citing
> > here? I am at an utter loss.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Elisa
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> From: coruscate818 <coruscate818 at gmail.com>
> To: Elisa Sparks <sparks at clemson.edu>
> Cc: "vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu"
> <vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>
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> But I think Google Books
> <
> https://books.google.com/books?id=CF9SAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA382&lpg=PA382&dq=owl+in+the+ivy+elizabethan+play&source=bl&ots=apbWGROF36&sig=ACfU3U2EfEcNJFk7UiOP-t0Hbuj6nV1wkQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwififyX9bnqAhXxknIEHfIQAoEQ6AEwCXoECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=ivy&f=false
> >
> has the answer: John Marston's Histriomastix or The Player Whipped.
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 8:45 PM coruscate818 <coruscate818 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Some of it seems to fit John Webster's "The Duchess of Malfi."
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 8:34 PM Elisa Sparks via Vwoolf <
> > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all--
> >> I am researching ivy in Virginia Woolf and have discovered a pattern
> of
> >> references to owls in the ivy. I have not been able to find any
> literary
> >> origins for this association which appears no les than six times in
> Woolf's
> >> writing. Particularly curious is this allusion in her 1925 essay
> "Notes on
> >> an Elizabethan Play":
> >>
> >> and we scarcely recognise any likeness between the knight
> >> who imported timber and died of pneumonia at Muswell Hill and the
> Armenian
> >> Duke who fell like a Roman on his sword while the owl shrieked in the
> ivy
> >> and the Duchess gave birth to a still-born babe ?mongst women howling
> (E4
> >> 67)
> >>
> >>
> >> Does anyone have any idea what minor Elizabethan dramatist Woolf is
> >> citing here? I am at an utter loss.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Elisa
> >>
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> From: Rebecca Duncan <duncanr at meredith.edu>
> To: Elisa Sparks <sparks at clemson.edu>
> Cc: "vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu"
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> >From a colleague:
>
> So more research is necessary, but I think that there were a few plays
> about the Duke of Savoy that might contain the right references. They?re
> not Elizabethan though; they?re Carolinian. I?ll see if I can find a text
> of Davenant?s Love and Honor and Shirley?s The Grateful Servant. Pepys
> wrote about both, I think, and Woolf would have read Pepys?
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 8:34 PM Elisa Sparks via Vwoolf <
> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear all--
> > I am researching ivy in Virginia Woolf and have discovered a pattern of
> > references to owls in the ivy. I have not been able to find any
> literary
> > origins for this association which appears no les than six times in
> Woolf's
> > writing. Particularly curious is this allusion in her 1925 essay
> "Notes on
> > an Elizabethan Play":
> >
> > and we scarcely recognise any likeness between the knight
> who
> > imported timber and died of pneumonia at Muswell Hill and the Armenian
> Duke
> > who fell like a Roman on his sword while the owl shrieked in the ivy
> and
> > the Duchess gave birth to a still-born babe ?mongst women howling (E4
> 67)
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any idea what minor Elizabethan dramatist Woolf is
> citing
> > here? I am at an utter loss.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Elisa
> >
> >
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> *Meredith College*
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