[Vwoolf] Bloomsbury in the New York Times
Christine Froula
cfroula at northwestern.edu
Sun May 14 11:48:16 EDT 2017
Perhaps reminding some of us of the Hillary bashing, Sally Yates
bashing, Elizabeth Warren-bashing etc etc etc on this side of the Pond?
On 5/14/2017 10:13 AM, Mark Hussey wrote:
>
> I usually find ‘Bloomsbury Set’ used pejoratively in Britain, echoing
> Arnold’s ‘What a set!’ about Shelley and his circle. The
> anti-Bloomsbury line in England still has purchase, though at least
> most of the articles about the Vanessa Bell exhibition were serious.
> But the Bloomsbury-bashing detailed by Brenda Silver and Chris Reed in
> the 1990s has not gone away; it just sounds a bit more tired these days.
>
> *From:*Vwoolf
> [mailto:vwoolf-bounces+mhussey=verizon.net at lists.osu.edu] *On Behalf
> Of *Gretchen H. Gerzina
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 13, 2017 10:30 PM
> *To:* Neverow, Vara S.
> *Cc:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] Bloomsbury in the New York Times
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> Actually "The Bloomsbury Set" is the way they are referred to in Britain!
>
> Gretchen
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 13, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Neverow, Vara S.
> <neverowv1 at southernct.edu <mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>> wrote:
>
> Thank you so much for the posting!
>
> I had read the article earlier today in the print version (which
> is titled "In Bloomsbury Country") and thought it was rather
> misleading in spots. What I found most puzzling was how evasive
> Francine Prose was with regard the assertion that Vanessa Bell
> lived with "her lover" (!) Duncan Grant at Charleston. At least
> Prose didn't refer to the Bloomsbury Group as the "Bloomsbury Set"
> as did that article on Jo Malone's Bloomsbury scents.
>
> Best,
>
> Vara
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> Vara Neverow
> Department of English
> Southern Connecticut State University
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> *Subject:* [Vwoolf] Bloomsbury in the New York Times
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> This article by Francine Prose is appearing in the New York Times,
> celebrating Bloomsbury homes in Sussex and Kent:
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/travel/britain-bloomsbury-group-gardens-sussex-kent-virginia-woolf.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=mini-moth®ion=top-stories-below&WT.nav=top-stories-below&_r=0
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> The Bloomsbury Bohemians in the British Countryside
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> The artists, writers and intellectuals of the charmed Bloomsbury
> Group often retreated to the Sussex and Kent regions, where quite
> a few were avid gardeners.
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> 1. Compare, contrast -- and distinguish (Stuart N. Clarke)
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> Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 19:12:21 +0100
> From: "Stuart N. Clarke" <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com
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> Subject: [Vwoolf] Compare, contrast -- and distinguish
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> (1) ?Emma was getting old, Frannie noted wistfully, as the
> rail-thin black maid tottered into the master bedroom with a
> breakfast tray in her hands.? (?More Tales of the City?, 1980)
>
> (2) ?Ellen, the discreet black maid, stood behind Mrs
> Chinnery?s chair, waiting? (?The Years?, 1937, ?1911? ch.)
>
> Why is Ellen black? Because she?s old Mrs Chinnery?s maid.
> She?s not a tweeny; she?s not a downstairs maid. If anyone needs
> serving with refreshments, it won?t be she doing it. Therefore,
> she?s not wearing a white apron. She?s dressed all in black.
>
> Incidentally, how is Mrs Chinnery getting to her room, since
> she?s in a ?wheeled chair?? Will she be able to get up the stairs
> with help, or is her room on the same floor as the drawing-room?
> Possible but unlikely, I would have thought. There wouldn?t have
> been a lift. I like to think that a couple of strapping footmen
> will carry her in the wheelchair up the stairs.
>
> Let?s turn to a bit of social history. If the photo. below
> comes out, it shows 3 black shop assistants in the late-1920s in
> the back garden of a department store. Not that I think they
> would be called such, since shop assistants in a decent shop would
> always be wearing black. (As little James in the film of ?To the
> Lighthouse? would say, ?My muvver is in the middle?.) The
> hairstyles are a bit frightening ? perms at home. Do you think the
> centre and right-hand dresses are homemade? (My mother was a good
> sewer.) I doubt if the material is of good quality. How would
> you clean them? You wouldn?t dare rub a spot like Mrs Robinson
> does in ?The Graduate?. Perhaps a wet tea-towel and a hot iron
> might do. The working classes couldn?t afford dry-cleaning until
> the 1930s, and only occasionally then. And what about the sweat
> under the arms, turning the black to white or grey? No deodorant
> of course, and baths once a week if you were lucky. Well, what
> they did was wear !
> a pad
> ded crescent of material under the arms, tacked, I assume, to
> the straps of the petticoat. That mopped up the sweat and
> protected the dresses.
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> This seems to me much more interesting than even considering
> for a moment that Ellen might have been imported from the Empire.
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> Stuart
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