[Vwoolf] Bloomsbury in the New York Times

Christine Froula cfroula at northwestern.edu
Sun May 14 11:48:16 EDT 2017 

Perhaps reminding some of us of the Hillary bashing, Sally Yates 
bashing, Elizabeth Warren-bashing etc etc etc on this side of the Pond?


On 5/14/2017 10:13 AM, Mark Hussey wrote:
>
> I usually find ‘Bloomsbury Set’ used pejoratively in Britain, echoing 
> Arnold’s ‘What a set!’ about Shelley and his circle.  The 
> anti-Bloomsbury line in England still has purchase, though at least 
> most of the articles about the Vanessa Bell exhibition were serious.  
> But the Bloomsbury-bashing detailed by Brenda Silver and Chris Reed in 
> the 1990s has not gone away; it just sounds a bit more tired these days.
>
> *From:*Vwoolf 
> [mailto:vwoolf-bounces+mhussey=verizon.net at lists.osu.edu] *On Behalf 
> Of *Gretchen H. Gerzina
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 13, 2017 10:30 PM
> *To:* Neverow, Vara S.
> *Cc:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] Bloomsbury in the New York Times
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> Actually "The Bloomsbury Set" is the way they are referred to in Britain!
>
> Gretchen
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On May 13, 2017, at 10:22 PM, Neverow, Vara S. 
> <neverowv1 at southernct.edu <mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>> wrote:
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>     Thank you so much for the posting!
>
>     I had read the article earlier today in the print version (which
>     is titled "In Bloomsbury Country")  and thought it was rather
>     misleading in spots. What I found most puzzling was how evasive
>     Francine Prose was with regard the assertion that Vanessa Bell
>     lived with "her lover" (!) Duncan Grant at Charleston. At least
>     Prose didn't refer to the Bloomsbury Group as the "Bloomsbury Set"
>     as did that article on Jo Malone's Bloomsbury scents.
>
>     Best,
>
>     Vara
>
>     Vara Neverow
>     Department of English
>     Southern Connecticut State University
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>     *Subject:* [Vwoolf] Bloomsbury in the New York Times
>
>     This article by Francine Prose is appearing in the New York Times,
>     celebrating Bloomsbury homes in Sussex and Kent:
>     https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/09/travel/britain-bloomsbury-group-gardens-sussex-kent-virginia-woolf.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=mini-moth&region=top-stories-below&WT.nav=top-stories-below&_r=0
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>     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2017_05_09_travel_britain-2Dbloomsbury-2Dgroup-2Dgardens-2Dsussex-2Dkent-2Dvirginia-2Dwoolf.html-3Fhp-26action-3Dclick-26pgtype-3DHomepage-26clickSource-3Dstory-2Dheading-26module-3Dmini-2Dmoth-26region-3Dtop-2Dstories-2Dbelow-26WT.nav-3Dtop-2Dstories-2Dbelow-26-5Fr-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=B2e-UKKhnYe5lrEq8NEkMf9o4KvCJF-4y7Z7WnzjMp0&m=ynxANMKmfaniJALbAz56UvHqq30xO2dAIrtD_uJge8Y&s=alBhA5PRC0Twf15Mit42L7cmaBcIRxLlGsjhkfo3g9Q&e=>
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>     	
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>     The Bloomsbury Bohemians in the British Countryside
>     <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.nytimes.com_2017_05_09_travel_britain-2Dbloomsbury-2Dgroup-2Dgardens-2Dsussex-2Dkent-2Dvirginia-2Dwoolf.html-3Fhp-26action-3Dclick-26pgtype-3DHomepage-26clickSource-3Dstory-2Dheading-26module-3Dmini-2Dmoth-26region-3Dtop-2Dstories-2Dbelow-26WT.nav-3Dtop-2Dstories-2Dbelow-26-5Fr-3D0&d=DwMFaQ&c=yHlS04HhBraes5BQ9ueu5zKhE7rtNXt_d012z2PA6ws&r=B2e-UKKhnYe5lrEq8NEkMf9o4KvCJF-4y7Z7WnzjMp0&m=ynxANMKmfaniJALbAz56UvHqq30xO2dAIrtD_uJge8Y&s=alBhA5PRC0Twf15Mit42L7cmaBcIRxLlGsjhkfo3g9Q&e=>
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>     www.nytimes.com
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>     The artists, writers and intellectuals of the charmed Bloomsbury
>     Group often retreated to the Sussex and Kent regions, where quite
>     a few were avid gardeners.
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>     Gretchen Gerzina
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>            1. Compare, contrast -- and distinguish (Stuart N. Clarke)
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>         Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 19:12:21 +0100
>         From: "Stuart N. Clarke" <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com
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>         Subject: [Vwoolf] Compare, contrast -- and distinguish
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>         (1) ?Emma was getting old, Frannie noted wistfully, as the
>     rail-thin black maid tottered into the master bedroom with a
>     breakfast tray in her hands.? (?More Tales of the City?, 1980)
>
>         (2) ?Ellen, the discreet black maid, stood behind Mrs
>     Chinnery?s chair, waiting? (?The Years?, 1937, ?1911? ch.)
>
>         Why is Ellen black?  Because she?s old Mrs Chinnery?s maid. 
>     She?s not a tweeny; she?s not a downstairs maid. If anyone needs
>     serving with refreshments, it won?t be she doing it. Therefore,
>     she?s not wearing a white apron.  She?s dressed all in black.
>
>         Incidentally, how is Mrs Chinnery getting to her room, since
>     she?s in a ?wheeled chair??  Will she be able to get up the stairs
>     with help, or is her room on the same floor as the drawing-room?
>     Possible but unlikely, I would have thought. There wouldn?t have
>     been a lift.  I like to think that a couple of strapping footmen
>     will carry her in the wheelchair up the stairs.
>
>         Let?s turn to a bit of social history.  If the photo. below
>     comes out, it shows 3 black shop assistants in the late-1920s in
>     the back garden of a department store.  Not that I think they
>     would be called such, since shop assistants in a decent shop would
>     always be wearing black.  (As little James in the film of ?To the
>     Lighthouse? would say, ?My muvver is in the middle?.)  The
>     hairstyles are a bit frightening ? perms at home. Do you think the
>     centre and right-hand dresses are homemade?  (My mother was a good
>     sewer.)  I doubt if the material is of good quality.  How would
>     you clean them?  You wouldn?t dare rub a spot like Mrs Robinson
>     does in ?The Graduate?.  Perhaps a wet tea-towel and a hot iron
>     might do.  The working classes couldn?t afford dry-cleaning until
>     the 1930s, and only occasionally then.  And what about the sweat
>     under the arms, turning the black to white or grey?  No deodorant
>     of course, and baths once a week if you were lucky.  Well, what
>     they did was wear !
>      a pad
>          ded crescent of material under the arms, tacked, I assume, to
>     the straps of the petticoat. That mopped up the sweat and
>     protected the dresses.
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>         This seems to me much more interesting than even considering
>     for a moment that Ellen might have been imported from the Empire.
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>         Stuart
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