[Vwoolf] Chocolate Creams?

Fri Mar 31 10:57:57 EDT 2017

A chocolate cream is, as Stuart describes, a hard and glossy chocolate
shell around a soft, creamy filling of any flavor. Fry's chocolate cream
bar is a bar version of the bite-sized confection. I too have a passion for
these and know of what I speak.

Shawn Maeder
Cambridge, MA

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Mark Hussey <mhussey at verizon.net> wrote:

> Right, well Stuart’s post reminds me of Vanessa’s “Notes on Virginia’s
> Childhood” which ends with a scene of the sisters buying *Tit Bits*
> “together with 3d worth of Fry’s Chocolate, taking both to Kensington
> Gardens to read and eat together, lying in the grass under the trees on
> summer afternoons.”
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> Looking forward to that edition of *JR*…
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> *From:* Vwoolf [mailto:vwoolf-bounces at lists.osu.edu] *On Behalf Of *Stuart
> N. Clarke
> *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2017 7:15 AM
> *To:* Woolf List
> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] Chocolate Creams?
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> VW’s mother-in-law had a ‘passion for chocolate creams’ (*L*4 241). This
> passion was shared by VW (*L*2 62) and LW (L. Woolf “Beginning Again”
> 1964: 15), and in 1918 they bought three bars from a shop near Richmond
> Bridge run by a Belgian refugee: ‘The Great War was at last over’ (L. Woolf
> 1964: 257).
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> I didn’t realise that this was a problem!  As far as I’m concerned, I
> think of choc. creams as a small dark chocolate with inside a creamy white
> filling.  The OED gives:
> *2.* An item or type of chocolate confectionery with a fondant centre.
> Freq. *attrib.*, esp. in chocolate-cream bar.
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> 1851  *Daily National Intelligencer* 18 Dec. (*advt.*)    The subscriber
> begs leave to state that he has received a great variety of imported and
> domestic Confectionary, viz. Fancy Boxes, Chocolate Cream, Gum Drops of
> superior flavors, [etc.].
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> 1860  *N.Y. Times* 10 Apr. 3/4 (*advt.*)    Maillard's Chocolate... Chocolate
> Creams, Chocolate Caramels, [etc.].
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> 1861  *Illustr. London News* 9 Feb. 124/2 (*advt.*)    Frys' Chocolate
> Creams.
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> 1879  C. M. Yonge *Magnum Bonum* I. iv. 58   We'd got nothing to eat but chocolate
> creams.
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> 1893  *Proc. Ackworth Old Scholars' Assoc.* *12* 34   To one unaccustomed
> to boys and their ways, a jam tart, a bar of chocolate cream, a cocoanut,
> and a mixture known as turkish delight..would seem to break the elementary
> laws of health.
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> 1906  *Daily Chron.* 25 July 6/4   A shop-worn chocolate-cream bar.
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> 1917  *McClure's Mag.* Mar. 48/1   In the Lowney factories most chocolate
> cream centers are fashioned in molds.
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> 1992  M. Baren *How it all Began* 25/1   The increased demand was at
> least partly due to the introduction of the now famous chocolate cream bar
> in 1866.
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> 2012  *Weekend Austral.* (Nexis) 21 Apr. 17   This is a romantic comedy,
> after all—as sweet as a box of soft-centred chocolate creams.
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> 1851—2012
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> However, on the TV yesterday on an antiques programme, an enamel advert
> from what I took to be 1910-26 of the famous Fry’s 5 boys made me look at
> the boy on the R more closely, and he seems to have a *bar* of chocolate in
> his mouth rather than a choc. with a fondant centre. This here is not the
> ad. I saw, but similar of course (it was clearer on the one I saw):
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> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00158N5FI?psc=1
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> You can find lots of them here:
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> https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=expectation+fry%27s+
> five+boys&FORM=HDRSC2
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> This is the one I saw, but it was clearer on TV (& sold for at least £2000
> at auction!):
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> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fry%27s_Chocolate_Cream#/
> media/File:Fry%27s_Chocolate_advertisement.JPG
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> I thought that Fry’s choc. creams were always like this:
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> https://www.cadbury.ie/products/Chocolate-Cream-2454?p=2454
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> I think I may be wrong: look at “Beginning Again” p. 257 more carefully.
> In summary, I think chocolate cream bars were either as described by the
> OED or were the equivalent of bars of milk chocolate (similar to what we
> get today).
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> If anyone gets any further with this, I should be pleased to hear -- to
> help me with “Jacob’s Room, of course.
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> Stuart
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> *From:* Byrne, Anne (Soc & Pol)
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> *Sent:* Friday, March 31, 2017 11:29 AM
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> *To:* Woolf List
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> *Subject:* [Vwoolf] Chocolate Creams?
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> Morning All- I have a research quest which you might be able to help me
> with? I am looking for an explanation of what 'chocolate creams' meant in
> post WW1 Britain. Why? I need an image of chocolate creams as recognised by
> Leonard and Virginia but as I don't know what the term means I am somewhat
> at a standstill. Are 'chocolate creams'  hand made (or not) confectionary
> (sweets in a box), biscuits (perhaps like bourbons or oreos today) or are
> they a chocolate bar (think Fry's) or some sort of desert made of chocolate
> and cream? My mind is frazzled by the puzzle  and I have to say looking at
> the pictures of chocolate does make me chocolate hungry. The plural seems
> to be important - any ideas?
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> The context as you probably can guess is that Virginia and Leonard
> celebrated the end of the war together, sitting by the fire,
> 'sacramentally' eating 'chocolate creams', purchased from a Belgian
> confectioner on Richmond Hill (see Glendinning). The Bloomsbury Cookbook by
> Jans Ondaatje Rolls gives a recipe for same but according to a Guardian
> review this is more like a Swiss roll (Regretfully I don't have a copy of
> the book to check). Florinda in *Jacob's Room* is partial to chocolate
> creams and so might I if I knew what they were!
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> Margaret Cole sends 'chocolate creams' to Leonard in 1967 after reading *Beginning
> Again *(Glendinning) and other readers reputedly wished they could.
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> It's frivolous I know but sometimes....Looking forward to another great
> conference in Reading.
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> Warm wishes
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> Anne Byrne
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