[Vwoolf] Meet the parents who won?t let their children study literature--what would Woolf say, eh? (Barbara Egel)
Barbara Egel
bnegel at gmail.com
Wed Sep 7 12:35:36 EDT 2016
I'm one of those people who came back to academic study of literature after
a business career. In that career, for each and every accolade I received,
presentation I was asked to do (and I was flown all over the US and Canada
to talk to professional organizations), and occasion when a client called
to say I was the only one who could meet their need, the qualities they
valued in me tied directly to my humanities undergrad degree. The kind of
thinking we are trained to do in humanities classes (I was in Comp Lit) is
not found elsewhere in the university, really, and is essential for
(forgive me!) thinking outside the box. I have also had the misfortune of
working with people whose parents dictated their fields of study, and
generally, they weren't very effective employees because their hearts were
elsewhere. In sum, starving humanities programs of undergrads is not good
for the business world, and forcing fields of study is not good for kids.
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> 1. Re: Meet the parents who won?t let their children study
> literature--what would Woolf say, eh? (Sarah M. Hall)
> 2. Re: Meet the parents who won?t let their children study
> literature--what would Woolf say, eh? (Stuart N. Clarke)
> 3. When VW died . . . hoity-toity? (Stuart N. Clarke)
> 4. Re: Woolf CD-ROM (Tessa Shaw)
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> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 10:57:26 +0000 (UTC)
> From: "Sarah M. Hall" <smhall123 at yahoo.co.uk>
> To: "Stuart N. Clarke" <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>,
> "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Meet the parents who won?t let their children
> study literature--what would Woolf say, eh?
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> Before I studied English Lit in the 1980s, I had to 'go and see' my father
> in order to persuade him that it was worthwhile. He thought I should have
> done business studies. If I had, I would probably be richer in montary
> terms (although not necessarily), but not in any other terms.
> Woolf, of course would say 'teach yourself': 'Lock up your libraries if
> you like; but there is no gate, no lock, no bolt, that you can set upon the
> freedom of my mind.' But her ?500 a year would have to have a couple of
> zeros on it.
>
>
> From: Stuart N. Clarke <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>
> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2016, 10:42
> Subject: [Vwoolf] Meet the parents who won?t let their children study
> literature--what would Woolf say, eh?
>
> Even the eng. lit. students *use* Virginia Woolf.? When I was a student in,
> say,
> 1968, and if I had known that Leonard Woolf opened his garden to the public
> for
> charity, I would have tried to find out how to get to Rodmell from London
> SW20, and made the trip, and ? d?you know? ? it wouldn?t have been any
> *use*
> to me at all.? Perhaps that?s why I got a crap degree.
>
> "You might not expect college freshmen to understand that careers don?t
> proceed in straight lines, but surely their parents ought to."? How
> wonderfully middle-class!? My mother didn't even know what a mezzanine was
> or what anticlockwise meant or how to read a bus timetable: "All this fuss
> about education.? I didn't have any, and I've got through life just the
> same. ... But I will say this for Stuart -- whatever he's achieved, he's
> done it without any help from us.? *We* couldn't help him with his
> homework."
>
> Stuart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: K L Levenback
> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 12:42 PM
> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
> Subject: [Vwoolf] Meet the parents who won?t let their children study
> literature--what would Woolf say, eh?
>
> I thought you might like this link from The Washington Post's iPad app:
>
> Meet the parents who won?t let their children study literature
>
> http://wapo.st/2cj4EYu
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> From: "Stuart N. Clarke" <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>
> To: <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Meet the parents who won?t let their children
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> So, it?s all money nowadays, eh? Remember when it was about politics and
> morality? In the late 60s, people were not allowed to do sociology because
> it was too left-wing and hippie. A friend of mine in the early 60s was
> allowed by her father to take any subject at Sydney, except philosophy,
> because of its moral dangers ? in view of the Orr case:
> http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/orr-sydney-sparkes-11314
>
> Stuart
>
> From: Sarah M. Hall
> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 11:57 AM
> To: Stuart N. Clarke ; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Meet the parents who won?t let their children study
> literature--what would Woolf say, eh?
>
> Before I studied English Lit in the 1980s, I had to 'go and see' my father
> in order to persuade him that it was worthwhile. He thought I should have
> done business studies. If I had, I would probably be richer in montary
> terms (although not necessarily), but not in any other terms.
>
> Woolf, of course would say 'teach yourself': 'Lock up your libraries if
> you like; but there is no gate, no lock, no bolt, that you can set upon the
> freedom of my mind.' But her ?500 a year would have to have a couple of
> zeros on it.
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: Stuart N. Clarke <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>
> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
> Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2016, 10:42
> Subject: [Vwoolf] Meet the parents who won?t let their children study
> literature--what would Woolf say, eh?
>
>
> Even the eng. lit. students *use* Virginia Woolf. When I was a student in,
> say,
> 1968, and if I had known that Leonard Woolf opened his garden to the public
> for
> charity, I would have tried to find out how to get to Rodmell from London
> SW20, and made the trip, and ? d?you know? ? it wouldn?t have been any
> *use*
> to me at all. Perhaps that?s why I got a crap degree.
>
> "You might not expect college freshmen to understand that careers don?t
> proceed in straight lines, but surely their parents ought to." How
> wonderfully middle-class! My mother didn't even know what a mezzanine was
> or what anticlockwise meant or how to read a bus timetable: "All this fuss
> about education. I didn't have any, and I've got through life just the
> same. ... But I will say this for Stuart -- whatever he's achieved, he's
> done it without any help from us. *We* couldn't help him with his
> homework."
>
> Stuart
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: K L Levenback
> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 12:42 PM
> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
> Subject: [Vwoolf] Meet the parents who won?t let their children study
> literature--what would Woolf say, eh?
>
> I thought you might like this link from The Washington Post's iPad app:
>
> Meet the parents who won?t let their children study literature
>
> http://wapo.st/2cj4EYu
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> From: "Stuart N. Clarke" <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>
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> ?when she died she was perhaps the best-known woman novelist in the
> English speaking world? (Ira Nadel).
>
> I?ve been toying with thoughts of Ethel M. Dell (d. 1939), but, really,
> there?s no need to go further (into the depths) than Agatha Christie.
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> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 08:15:04 +0000
> From: Tessa Shaw <tessa.shaw at queens.ox.ac.uk>
> To: "Brenda S. Helt" <helt0010 at umn.edu>, "'Adams, David'"
> <adams.428 at osu.edu>
> Cc: "vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu"
> <vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf CD-ROM
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> Dear Brenda and David,
>
> Just to pick up this thread which I think originated way back when I was
> tearing my hair out that the Woolf CD was no longer being supported at
> Oxford. The story did have a happy ending though as the CD which originally
> was thought to be lost turned up, the English Faculty as they could no
> longer network it, gave it to our IT guys who wonderfully managed to ring
> up something which worked. I have copied and pasted the nuts and bolts of
> exactly what they did, see below.
>
>
> Virginia works!
>
> But it must be installed and run on a 32bit Windows operating system.
>
> This is probably where the problem arose with the Bod (Bodleian Library) ?
> they probably upgraded their systems to 64bit.
> The program is a 16bit application which 32bit Windows supports (yeah!) -
> but 64bit doesn?t support (boo!).
>
> J ** managed to get it running on Windows 10 (32bit) inside a virtual
> machine.
> (It is unlikely that Microsoft will remove 32bit versions of Windows for
> quite some time.)
>
>
> Option 1
>
> * Runs fine on Windows 10 (32bit) - buy a machine and run it off that
>
> ? Only one person can use it at a time
> Option 2 ?
>
> * Buy a server and run on Server 2008 (release 1 not R2) (32bit)
> * Setup Terminal Services and publish to users
> * Server 2008 goes End of Life (i.e. No longer supported) on 14/01/202
> * Will need to licence Terminal Service
> * Lots of people would be able to use it at the same time
> Option 3 ?
>
> * Using Server 2012 R2 Remote Desktop Services host Windows 10 32bit
> VMs (through VDI) and publish to users
> * Will have to licence Client Operating Systems and possibly Remote
> Desktop Services
> It all sounds hideously tecchy to me, but long and the short of it is that
> we can get it to work for our needs and more importantly for the research
> needs of our students.
>
> Beyond this, for me as a Librarian I think it is a crying shame that this
> massive body of work isn?t more easily available. If anyone can think of
> anything to encourage the powers that be to reissue this so it can be
> networked easily rather than with the convoluted arrangements we are all
> having to put into place.
>
> With kind regards from across the pond,
>
> Tessa
>
> Tessa Shaw
> Reader Services Librarian,
> The Queen?s College,
> Oxford,
> OX1 4AW
>
>
> From: Brenda S. Helt [mailto:helt0010 at umn.edu]
> Sent: 31 August 2016 06:42
> To: 'Adams, David'
> Cc: vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu; Tessa Shaw
> Subject: RE: [Vwoolf] Woolf CD-ROM
>
> Ah. Yes, that?s what my electrical engineer husband just told me was
> probably the issue. A few years ago he spent some serious time trying to
> figure out a way that I could run my copy on my latest computer, but had no
> success. But you, David, can still run your own CD-ROM on an older PC or
> notebook at home, can you not? It?s not a personal security risk, and is
> of course not any type of security risk to anyone as long as that computer
> is not connected to a network and is used only for the CD-Rom.
>
> Brenda
>
>
> Brenda Helt
>
> Co-editor Queer Bloomsbury
> https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-queer-bloomsbury.html
>
> Fine artist
> http://www.brendahelt.com<http://www.brendahelt.com/>
>
>
>
>
> From: Adams, David [mailto:adams.428 at osu.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:20 PM
> To: Brenda S. Helt
> Cc: vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu<mailto:vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>;
> tessa.shaw at queens.ox.ac.uk<mailto:tessa.shaw at queens.ox.ac.uk>
> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf CD-ROM
>
> Brenda,
>
> The university won't support Windows 98, won't even allow it on campus
> since it's considered a security risk. Apparently it's been over a decade
> since 98 was allowed here. Years ago I used the CD on a Mac with Bootcamp
> and Windows 98, but apparently Bootcamp can't run it on a newer Mac.
>
> David
>
> On Aug 31, 2016, at 12:58 AM, Brenda S. Helt <helt0010 at umn.edu<mailto:
> helt0010 at umn.edu>> wrote:
>
> Why is the first option not viable, David? I think that?s what we?re all
> doing. That works pretty well for me when I use the CD, but then a
> computer running Windows 98 doesn?t register as ?really old? to me?nor do
> they have yellow letters. I run mine from a laptop. The screen looks
> pretty much the same as what you?re using right now. It?s Windows. Your
> students will have no problem with it. Personally, I?d opt for the easy
> answer.
>
>
> Brenda Helt
>
> Co-editor Queer Bloomsbury
> https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-queer-bloomsbury.html
>
> Fine artist
> http://www.brendahelt.com<http://www.brendahelt.com/>
>
>
>
>
> From: Vwoolf [mailto:vwoolf-bounces at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Adams,
> David
> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:24 PM
> To: vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu<mailto:vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu
> >
> Cc: tessa.shaw at queens.ox.ac.uk<mailto:tessa.shaw at queens.ox.ac.uk>
> Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf CD-ROM
>
> It's taken me six months but I'm hoping to keep this thread alive with
> some stateside questions. A year ago I dusted off two copies of the CD not
> used in years--mine and my library's--and asked a tech wizard at my
> institution to get them working. After installing and downloading and
> transferring and troubleshooting, the tech person told me I have only two
> options: buy a Windows 95 or 98 computer off Ebay for $100 for the sole
> purpose of running this CD, or transfer the CD's text and image files
> (which are not encrypted) into a folder on my current computer and use the
> computer's native search engine and readers rather than the CD's software
> to access the files.
>
> The first option isn't viable for me or my library/students. I'm doubtful
> the second option would work well because so much functionality would be
> lost--so I haven't tried it yet. Is anyone out there still using the CD
> without access to a very old Windows computer or a computer with yellow
> letters (I'm glad to know the ever-resourceful BL still has the CD
> running)? Has anyone tried using the CD's raw files with different
> applications (the second option suggested by my tech person)--does this
> really work? Or has anyone found a way to make the CD functional on a
> post-2012 computer?
>
> Thanks is advance,
>
> David
> On Feb 14, 2016, at 10:37 AM, vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu<mailto:
> vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu> wrote:
>
> From: STUART CLARKE <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com<mailto:
> stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf CD-ROM
> Date: February 13, 2016 at 5:20:00 AM EST
> To: <vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu<mailto:vwoolf at lists.acs.
> ohio-state.edu>>
> Reply-To: <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com<mailto:stuart.n.clarke@
> btinternet.com>>
>
>
> I found a computer with yellow numbers and letters in Humanities 1, and,
> with a bit of trouble, I was able to call up the VW CD-ROM and it seems to
> be OK and working fine.
>
> Stuart
> ----Original message----
> From : stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com<mailto:stuart.n.clarke@
> btinternet.com>
> Date : 12/02/2016 - 10:18 (GMTST)
> To : vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu<mailto:vwoolf at lists.acs.
> ohio-state.edu>
> Subject : Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf CD-ROM
>
> I am in the BL at the moment. According to one of the standard computers,
> the VW CD-ROM is still available, but only at special computers (e.g.,
> those with bright yellow keys - I can't see any of those around me).
>
> Stuart
> ----Original message----
> From : mhussey at verizon.net<mailto:mhussey at verizon.net>
> Date : 11/02/2016 - 19:33 (GMTST)
> To : vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu<mailto:vwoolf at lists.acs.
> ohio-state.edu>
> Subject : [Vwoolf] Woolf CD-ROM
> I am forwarding this request (plea) on behalf of Tessa Shaw, Reader
> Services Librarian, The Queen's College,
> Oxford.
> ?I am writing to see whether you are able to give me any advice as to
> where I might obtain a copy of your ?Major Authors on CD-ROM: Virginia
> Woolf. Woodbridge, CT: Primary Source Media, 1995?.
>
> It used to be networked in the University but isn?t any longer as the
> CISCO software is no longer supported. It is now therefore unavailable in
> both the British Library( for the same reason as Oxford) and the Bodleian.
> It would be of huge use to our students at Queen?s as all those studying
> English do Woolf and it seems a crying shame that one Library at least in
> Oxford doesn?t hold a copy. We would also be able to make it available to
> other students studying English.
>
> I have looked high and low to see whether there is a copy somewhere, to
> buy, but so far no luck. If you are able to point me in the right direction
> of this pot of gold I would be very grateful and so would the students at
> Oxford.?
>
> Tessa is at tessa.shaw at queens.ox.ac.uk<mailto:tessa.shaw at queens.ox.ac.uk>.
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