[Vwoolf] Meet the parents who won?t let their children study literature--what would Woolf say, eh? (Barbara Egel)
Nora Malone
nora.malone at gmail.com
Wed Sep 7 15:05:12 EDT 2016
This article about the parenting advice given in "The Little Virtues" in
the New Yorker today gives a fitting response to these parents who do not
let their children study literature. Natalia Ginzburg, author of "The
Little Virtues," writes: "As far as the education of children is concerned,
I think they should be taught not the little virtues but the great ones.
Not thrift but generosity and an indifference to money; not caution but
courage and a contempt for danger; not shrewdness but frankness and a love
of truth; not tact but love for one's neighbor and self-denial; not a
desire for success but a desire to be and to know." I think that literature
is a wonderful training ground for learning these great virtues.
The whole article is here:
http://www.newyorker.com/books/page-turner/the-book-that-taught-me-what-i-want-to-teach-my-daughter
On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Barbara Egel <bnegel at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm one of those people who came back to academic study of literature
> after a business career. In that career, for each and every accolade I
> received, presentation I was asked to do (and I was flown all over the US
> and Canada to talk to professional organizations), and occasion when a
> client called to say I was the only one who could meet their need, the
> qualities they valued in me tied directly to my humanities undergrad
> degree. The kind of thinking we are trained to do in humanities classes (I
> was in Comp Lit) is not found elsewhere in the university, really, and is
> essential for (forgive me!) thinking outside the box. I have also had the
> misfortune of working with people whose parents dictated their fields of
> study, and generally, they weren't very effective employees because their
> hearts were elsewhere. In sum, starving humanities programs of undergrads
> is not good for the business world, and forcing fields of study is not good
> for kids.
>
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>> 1. Re: Meet the parents who won?t let their children study
>> literature--what would Woolf say, eh? (Sarah M. Hall)
>> 2. Re: Meet the parents who won?t let their children study
>> literature--what would Woolf say, eh? (Stuart N. Clarke)
>> 3. When VW died . . . hoity-toity? (Stuart N. Clarke)
>> 4. Re: Woolf CD-ROM (Tessa Shaw)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 10:57:26 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: "Sarah M. Hall" <smhall123 at yahoo.co.uk>
>> To: "Stuart N. Clarke" <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>,
>> "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Meet the parents who won?t let their children
>> study literature--what would Woolf say, eh?
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>> Before I studied English Lit in the 1980s, I had to 'go and see' my
>> father in order to persuade him that it was worthwhile. He thought I should
>> have done business studies. If I had, I would probably be richer in montary
>> terms (although not necessarily), but not in any other terms.
>> Woolf, of course would say 'teach yourself': 'Lock up your libraries if
>> you like; but there is no gate, no lock, no bolt, that you can set upon the
>> freedom of my mind.' But her ?500 a year would have to have a couple of
>> zeros on it.
>>
>>
>> From: Stuart N. Clarke <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>
>> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2016, 10:42
>> Subject: [Vwoolf] Meet the parents who won?t let their children study
>> literature--what would Woolf say, eh?
>>
>> Even the eng. lit. students *use* Virginia Woolf.? When I was a student
>> in,
>> say,
>> 1968, and if I had known that Leonard Woolf opened his garden to the
>> public
>> for
>> charity, I would have tried to find out how to get to Rodmell from London
>> SW20, and made the trip, and ? d?you know? ? it wouldn?t have been any
>> *use*
>> to me at all.? Perhaps that?s why I got a crap degree.
>>
>> "You might not expect college freshmen to understand that careers don?t
>> proceed in straight lines, but surely their parents ought to."? How
>> wonderfully middle-class!? My mother didn't even know what a mezzanine was
>> or what anticlockwise meant or how to read a bus timetable: "All this fuss
>> about education.? I didn't have any, and I've got through life just the
>> same. ... But I will say this for Stuart -- whatever he's achieved, he's
>> done it without any help from us.? *We* couldn't help him with his
>> homework."
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: K L Levenback
>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 12:42 PM
>> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
>> Subject: [Vwoolf] Meet the parents who won?t let their children study
>> literature--what would Woolf say, eh?
>>
>> I thought you might like this link from The Washington Post's iPad app:
>>
>> Meet the parents who won?t let their children study literature
>>
>> http://wapo.st/2cj4EYu
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>> From: "Stuart N. Clarke" <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>
>> To: <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Meet the parents who won?t let their children
>> study literature--what would Woolf say, eh?
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>> So, it?s all money nowadays, eh? Remember when it was about politics and
>> morality? In the late 60s, people were not allowed to do sociology because
>> it was too left-wing and hippie. A friend of mine in the early 60s was
>> allowed by her father to take any subject at Sydney, except philosophy,
>> because of its moral dangers ? in view of the Orr case:
>> http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/orr-sydney-sparkes-11314
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>> From: Sarah M. Hall
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 11:57 AM
>> To: Stuart N. Clarke ; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Meet the parents who won?t let their children study
>> literature--what would Woolf say, eh?
>>
>> Before I studied English Lit in the 1980s, I had to 'go and see' my
>> father in order to persuade him that it was worthwhile. He thought I should
>> have done business studies. If I had, I would probably be richer in montary
>> terms (although not necessarily), but not in any other terms.
>>
>> Woolf, of course would say 'teach yourself': 'Lock up your libraries if
>> you like; but there is no gate, no lock, no bolt, that you can set upon the
>> freedom of my mind.' But her ?500 a year would have to have a couple of
>> zeros on it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> --------------------
>> From: Stuart N. Clarke <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>
>> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
>> Sent: Tuesday, 6 September 2016, 10:42
>> Subject: [Vwoolf] Meet the parents who won?t let their children study
>> literature--what would Woolf say, eh?
>>
>>
>> Even the eng. lit. students *use* Virginia Woolf. When I was a student
>> in,
>> say,
>> 1968, and if I had known that Leonard Woolf opened his garden to the
>> public
>> for
>> charity, I would have tried to find out how to get to Rodmell from London
>> SW20, and made the trip, and ? d?you know? ? it wouldn?t have been any
>> *use*
>> to me at all. Perhaps that?s why I got a crap degree.
>>
>> "You might not expect college freshmen to understand that careers don?t
>> proceed in straight lines, but surely their parents ought to." How
>> wonderfully middle-class! My mother didn't even know what a mezzanine was
>> or what anticlockwise meant or how to read a bus timetable: "All this fuss
>> about education. I didn't have any, and I've got through life just the
>> same. ... But I will say this for Stuart -- whatever he's achieved, he's
>> done it without any help from us. *We* couldn't help him with his
>> homework."
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: K L Levenback
>> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 12:42 PM
>> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
>> Subject: [Vwoolf] Meet the parents who won?t let their children study
>> literature--what would Woolf say, eh?
>>
>> I thought you might like this link from The Washington Post's iPad app:
>>
>> Meet the parents who won?t let their children study literature
>>
>> http://wapo.st/2cj4EYu
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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>> From: "Stuart N. Clarke" <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>
>> To: <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>
>> Subject: [Vwoolf] When VW died . . . hoity-toity?
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>> ?when she died she was perhaps the best-known woman novelist in the
>> English speaking world? (Ira Nadel).
>>
>> I?ve been toying with thoughts of Ethel M. Dell (d. 1939), but, really,
>> there?s no need to go further (into the depths) than Agatha Christie.
>>
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>> Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2016 08:15:04 +0000
>> From: Tessa Shaw <tessa.shaw at queens.ox.ac.uk>
>> To: "Brenda S. Helt" <helt0010 at umn.edu>, "'Adams, David'"
>> <adams.428 at osu.edu>
>> Cc: "vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu"
>> <vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf CD-ROM
>> Message-ID:
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>> Dear Brenda and David,
>>
>> Just to pick up this thread which I think originated way back when I was
>> tearing my hair out that the Woolf CD was no longer being supported at
>> Oxford. The story did have a happy ending though as the CD which originally
>> was thought to be lost turned up, the English Faculty as they could no
>> longer network it, gave it to our IT guys who wonderfully managed to ring
>> up something which worked. I have copied and pasted the nuts and bolts of
>> exactly what they did, see below.
>>
>>
>> Virginia works!
>>
>> But it must be installed and run on a 32bit Windows operating system.
>>
>> This is probably where the problem arose with the Bod (Bodleian Library)
>> ? they probably upgraded their systems to 64bit.
>> The program is a 16bit application which 32bit Windows supports (yeah!) -
>> but 64bit doesn?t support (boo!).
>>
>> J ** managed to get it running on Windows 10 (32bit) inside a virtual
>> machine.
>> (It is unlikely that Microsoft will remove 32bit versions of Windows for
>> quite some time.)
>>
>>
>> Option 1
>>
>> * Runs fine on Windows 10 (32bit) - buy a machine and run it off that
>>
>> ? Only one person can use it at a time
>> Option 2 ?
>>
>> * Buy a server and run on Server 2008 (release 1 not R2) (32bit)
>> * Setup Terminal Services and publish to users
>> * Server 2008 goes End of Life (i.e. No longer supported) on 14/01/202
>> * Will need to licence Terminal Service
>> * Lots of people would be able to use it at the same time
>> Option 3 ?
>>
>> * Using Server 2012 R2 Remote Desktop Services host Windows 10 32bit
>> VMs (through VDI) and publish to users
>> * Will have to licence Client Operating Systems and possibly Remote
>> Desktop Services
>> It all sounds hideously tecchy to me, but long and the short of it is
>> that we can get it to work for our needs and more importantly for the
>> research needs of our students.
>>
>> Beyond this, for me as a Librarian I think it is a crying shame that this
>> massive body of work isn?t more easily available. If anyone can think of
>> anything to encourage the powers that be to reissue this so it can be
>> networked easily rather than with the convoluted arrangements we are all
>> having to put into place.
>>
>> With kind regards from across the pond,
>>
>> Tessa
>>
>> Tessa Shaw
>> Reader Services Librarian,
>> The Queen?s College,
>> Oxford,
>> OX1 4AW
>>
>>
>> From: Brenda S. Helt [mailto:helt0010 at umn.edu]
>> Sent: 31 August 2016 06:42
>> To: 'Adams, David'
>> Cc: vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu; Tessa Shaw
>> Subject: RE: [Vwoolf] Woolf CD-ROM
>>
>> Ah. Yes, that?s what my electrical engineer husband just told me was
>> probably the issue. A few years ago he spent some serious time trying to
>> figure out a way that I could run my copy on my latest computer, but had no
>> success. But you, David, can still run your own CD-ROM on an older PC or
>> notebook at home, can you not? It?s not a personal security risk, and is
>> of course not any type of security risk to anyone as long as that computer
>> is not connected to a network and is used only for the CD-Rom.
>>
>> Brenda
>>
>>
>> Brenda Helt
>>
>> Co-editor Queer Bloomsbury
>> https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-queer-bloomsbury.html
>>
>> Fine artist
>> http://www.brendahelt.com<http://www.brendahelt.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Adams, David [mailto:adams.428 at osu.edu]
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:20 PM
>> To: Brenda S. Helt
>> Cc: vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu<mailto:vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio
>> -state.edu>; tessa.shaw at queens.ox.ac.uk<mailto:tessa.shaw at queens.ox.ac.uk
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf CD-ROM
>>
>> Brenda,
>>
>> The university won't support Windows 98, won't even allow it on campus
>> since it's considered a security risk. Apparently it's been over a decade
>> since 98 was allowed here. Years ago I used the CD on a Mac with Bootcamp
>> and Windows 98, but apparently Bootcamp can't run it on a newer Mac.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Aug 31, 2016, at 12:58 AM, Brenda S. Helt <helt0010 at umn.edu<mailto:
>> helt0010 at umn.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Why is the first option not viable, David? I think that?s what we?re all
>> doing. That works pretty well for me when I use the CD, but then a
>> computer running Windows 98 doesn?t register as ?really old? to me?nor do
>> they have yellow letters. I run mine from a laptop. The screen looks
>> pretty much the same as what you?re using right now. It?s Windows. Your
>> students will have no problem with it. Personally, I?d opt for the easy
>> answer.
>>
>>
>> Brenda Helt
>>
>> Co-editor Queer Bloomsbury
>> https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-queer-bloomsbury.html
>>
>> Fine artist
>> http://www.brendahelt.com<http://www.brendahelt.com/>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Vwoolf [mailto:vwoolf-bounces at lists.osu.edu] On Behalf Of Adams,
>> David
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:24 PM
>> To: vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu<mailto:vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio
>> -state.edu>
>> Cc: tessa.shaw at queens.ox.ac.uk<mailto:tessa.shaw at queens.ox.ac.uk>
>> Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf CD-ROM
>>
>> It's taken me six months but I'm hoping to keep this thread alive with
>> some stateside questions. A year ago I dusted off two copies of the CD not
>> used in years--mine and my library's--and asked a tech wizard at my
>> institution to get them working. After installing and downloading and
>> transferring and troubleshooting, the tech person told me I have only two
>> options: buy a Windows 95 or 98 computer off Ebay for $100 for the sole
>> purpose of running this CD, or transfer the CD's text and image files
>> (which are not encrypted) into a folder on my current computer and use the
>> computer's native search engine and readers rather than the CD's software
>> to access the files.
>>
>> The first option isn't viable for me or my library/students. I'm
>> doubtful the second option would work well because so much functionality
>> would be lost--so I haven't tried it yet. Is anyone out there still using
>> the CD without access to a very old Windows computer or a computer with
>> yellow letters (I'm glad to know the ever-resourceful BL still has the CD
>> running)? Has anyone tried using the CD's raw files with different
>> applications (the second option suggested by my tech person)--does this
>> really work? Or has anyone found a way to make the CD functional on a
>> post-2012 computer?
>>
>> Thanks is advance,
>>
>> David
>> On Feb 14, 2016, at 10:37 AM, vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu<mailto:
>> vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> From: STUART CLARKE <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com<mailto:
>> stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf CD-ROM
>> Date: February 13, 2016 at 5:20:00 AM EST
>> To: <vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu<mailto:vwoolf at lists.acs.ohi
>> o-state.edu>>
>> Reply-To: <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com<mailto:stuart.n.clarke at btint
>> ernet.com>>
>>
>>
>> I found a computer with yellow numbers and letters in Humanities 1, and,
>> with a bit of trouble, I was able to call up the VW CD-ROM and it seems to
>> be OK and working fine.
>>
>> Stuart
>> ----Original message----
>> From : stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com<mailto:stuart.n.clarke at btinte
>> rnet.com>
>> Date : 12/02/2016 - 10:18 (GMTST)
>> To : vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu<mailto:vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio
>> -state.edu>
>> Subject : Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf CD-ROM
>>
>> I am in the BL at the moment. According to one of the standard
>> computers, the VW CD-ROM is still available, but only at special computers
>> (e.g., those with bright yellow keys - I can't see any of those around me).
>>
>> Stuart
>> ----Original message----
>> From : mhussey at verizon.net<mailto:mhussey at verizon.net>
>> Date : 11/02/2016 - 19:33 (GMTST)
>> To : vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu<mailto:vwoolf at lists.acs.ohio
>> -state.edu>
>> Subject : [Vwoolf] Woolf CD-ROM
>> I am forwarding this request (plea) on behalf of Tessa Shaw, Reader
>> Services Librarian, The Queen's College,
>> Oxford.
>> ?I am writing to see whether you are able to give me any advice as to
>> where I might obtain a copy of your ?Major Authors on CD-ROM: Virginia
>> Woolf. Woodbridge, CT: Primary Source Media, 1995?.
>>
>> It used to be networked in the University but isn?t any longer as the
>> CISCO software is no longer supported. It is now therefore unavailable in
>> both the British Library( for the same reason as Oxford) and the Bodleian.
>> It would be of huge use to our students at Queen?s as all those studying
>> English do Woolf and it seems a crying shame that one Library at least in
>> Oxford doesn?t hold a copy. We would also be able to make it available to
>> other students studying English.
>>
>> I have looked high and low to see whether there is a copy somewhere, to
>> buy, but so far no luck. If you are able to point me in the right direction
>> of this pot of gold I would be very grateful and so would the students at
>> Oxford.?
>>
>> Tessa is at tessa.shaw at queens.ox.ac.uk<mailto:tessa.shaw at queens.ox.ac.uk
>> >.
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