[Vwoolf] "Jacob's Room": Crux #2

[Neverow, Vara S.]

Jumping into the discourse, I have discovered that "influenzae cellulitis often causes a blue-purple discoloration of the eyelids" according to Morris Green's Pediatric Diagnosis: Interpretation of Symptoms and Signs (via Google Books).

Vara

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Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "Jacob's Room": Crux #2

I do take it (from my hunting on the internet) that there need be nothing exceptional about babies with purple eyelids and therefore the implied argument is that we should not annotate this.  However, applying the principle that "nothing is casual in Woolf", I would like to be enlightened about whether or not there is some special combination of poverty + babies + purple eyelids!

Stuart

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Could they be purple with cold?  Or is the skin so translucent the veins are showing through?
Caroline

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For what it's worth, Thackeray describes Amelia's eyelids as purple in Vanity Fair.  (Collier and Son, New York, 1917, page 334) and poet Arthur Symons uses it in Amoris Victima, section (Mundi Victima section III, 1902) and The jealousies of a country town. A marriage settlement
by Honoré de Balzac also uses it to M. Sauvager. Even Henry Rider Haggard has a character, Irene, with purple eyelids.

I am thinking it was a convention.

I love all these mysteries, Stuart!  Thank you for sharing.

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Subject: [Vwoolf] "Jacob's Room": Crux #2


Towards the end of ch. VIII:

"Shawled women carry babies with purple eyelids"

Because they are "shawled", we know the women are poor. David Bradshaw tentatively suggests lupus.  I have looked on the internet, and both purple eyelids and lupus have quite complicated causes/symptoms, from the trivial to the serious, and so I feel are beyond me.

I have asked a doctor friend, who says the question is difficult!  "The short answer is that I do not know any exact cause but can hazard a guess that it is a condition seen in debilitated children or children with cyanosis such as blue lips as seen in some chest and heart conditions such as congenital heart disease etc."

Why should poor babies have purple eyelids and, presumably, rich ones not?  Diet?

Any answers gratefully received.

Stuart
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