[Vwoolf] Apocryphal lines & Woolf's suicide

William E Pearson III - Architect wep3 at islandtechnologies.com
Fri Jun 15 10:47:08 EDT 2012


I was only joking … sorry to have hit a nerve.  I read this list with a great deal of enjoyment and appreciation.

 

Bill

 

From: Melody Wilson [mailto:melodywilson at tds.net] 
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 5:39 PM
To: <wep3 at islandtechnologies.com>
Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Apocryphal lines & Woolf's suicide

 

Oh I'm aware the word is fraught with danger--as is any list.  You sometimes just don't know why some people participate, you know?  You don't know what their motives are.  It was just that I'm writing this eulogy and the list was the place to make sure of the line's provenance.  Is provenance ok?  

 

I didn't have my critical hat on and problematize does, in a very literal way, bring to mind the idea of challenging an idea.  I do apologize for sullying your day.  

 



Be Wise

 


On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:01 AM, "William E Pearson III - Architect" <wep3 at islandtechnologies.com> wrote:

“Problematized?”  How special!

 

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From: vwoolf-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu [mailto:vwoolf-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu] On Behalf Of Melody Wilson
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 9:59 AM
To: helt0010 at umn.edu
Cc: Woolf list
Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Apocryphal lines & Woolf's suicide

 

I'm not looking to represent the suicide--and I problematized the film treatment in my class.  Entirely separately I like the lines to open the eulogy I'm working on.  I would like them better if the were woolf's...



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On Jun 14, 2012, at 6:53 AM, "Brenda Helt" <helt0010 at umn.edu> wrote:

Um, then don’t?  I’m disturbed by tendencies among scholars and others to attempt to recuperate Woolf’s suicide in ways that might make it seem a model for those who see her as an icon.  She left a suicide note—in fact, she left two.  Leonard is also on record as to the reasons for the suicide.  Surely it’s sufficient to stick to the primary source evidence of what Woolf actually said before taking her life, together with the long history of her fight with mental illness as recorded in her diaries and letters as well as in Leonard’s autobiography, Vanessa’s letters, etc.  I think we tread on dangerous ground when we give voice in the classroom or on the stage or in print to a redemptive view of Woolf’s suicide that the evidence does not support.  She feared she was again going mad and would not recover this time.  She calls what she suffers from a “disease,” which it is.  This is what she said.  Why not tell students about that fear and have a discussion about depression, bipolar disorder, and mental illness more generally?  About the likely outcomes of not getting such diseases treated properly—“proper” treatment was not available for Woolf at this time.  Of course, do your research first.  And Hermione Lee’s biography of Woolf is quite solidly grounded in the facts on the issue of her suicide.  I’d read her pages dedicated to the suicide before talking about it with students.

 

Hope that’s helpful.

 

 

Brenda Helt

 

From: vwoolf-bounces+helt0010=umn.edu at lists.service.ohio-state.edu [mailto:vwoolf-bounces+helt0010=umn.edu at lists.service.ohio-state.edu] On Behalf Of Melody Wilson
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:14 AM
To: atleswoolf at aol.com
Cc: Vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu
Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Apocryphal lines

 

Interesting--I'm very troubled about putting words in her mouth as well.

Be Wise

 


On Jun 14, 2012, at 6:12 AM, atleswoolf at aol.com wrote:

As far as I know, these lines are the screenwriter David Hare's and not Michael Cunningham's.  They don't appear in the novel -- only in the film.  I read somewhere a while back that Hare said he was nervous about putting such words into Woolf's mouth, or something to that effect.

 

Best, 

Drew Shannon

College of Mount St. Joseph





-----Original Message-----
From: Melody Wilson <melodywilson at tds.net>
To: Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu <Vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>
Sent: Thu, Jun 14, 2012 8:51 am
Subject: [Vwoolf] Apocryphal lines

Dear Woolfians:
I am writing a eulogy, and after showing The Hours in my class (we had read 
Dalloway), I was struck by the final lines I paraphrase as to look life in the 
face and to love it...then to put it away (I'm stuck in this screen and can't 
verify).  I have done a preliminary search and think these are cunningham's 
lines (he attributes them to one of the suicide notes).  Can anyone verify that 
these lines are not Woolf's?  I will probably open w them anyway as the are 
appropriate but I would like to know.  Thanks for your help.
 
Be Wise
 
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