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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I was only joking … sorry to have hit a nerve. I read this list with a great deal of enjoyment and appreciation.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Bill<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Melody Wilson [mailto:melodywilson@tds.net] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 14, 2012 5:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> <wep3@islandtechnologies.com><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] Apocryphal lines & Woolf's suicide<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Oh I'm aware the word is fraught with danger--as is any list. You sometimes just don't know why some people participate, you know? You don't know what their motives are. It was just that I'm writing this eulogy and the list was the place to make sure of the line's provenance. Is provenance ok? <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I didn't have my critical hat on and problematize does, in a very literal way, bring to mind the idea of challenging an idea. I do apologize for sullying your day. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>Be Wise<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:01 AM, "William E Pearson III - Architect" <<a href="mailto:wep3@islandtechnologies.com">wep3@islandtechnologies.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>“Problematized?” How special!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>B*</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr style='height:59.4pt'><td width=86 valign=top style='width:64.2pt;border:none;border-right:dotted windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:59.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:115%'><a href="https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile=02C5CD07-7511-4151-A678-3A4A3451F85E"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;text-decoration:none'><image001.gif></span></a><o:p></o:p></p></td><td width=553 valign=top style='width:414.6pt;padding:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt;height:59.4pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:115%'><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:PL'>William E. 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<a href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu]">[mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Melody Wilson<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 14, 2012 9:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:helt0010@umn.edu">helt0010@umn.edu</a><br><b>Cc:</b> Woolf list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] Apocryphal lines & Woolf's suicide</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I'm not looking to represent the suicide--and I problematized the film treatment in my class. Entirely separately I like the lines to open the eulogy I'm working on. I would like them better if the were woolf's...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br>Be Wise<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jun 14, 2012, at 6:53 AM, "Brenda Helt" <<a href="mailto:helt0010@umn.edu">helt0010@umn.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Um, then don’t? I’m disturbed by tendencies among scholars and others to attempt to recuperate Woolf’s suicide in ways that might make it seem a model for those who see her as an icon. She left a suicide note—in fact, she left two. Leonard is also on record as to the reasons for the suicide. Surely it’s sufficient to stick to the primary source evidence of what Woolf actually said before taking her life, together with the long history of her fight with mental illness as recorded in her diaries and letters as well as in Leonard’s autobiography, Vanessa’s letters, etc. I think we tread on dangerous ground when we give voice in the classroom or on the stage or in print to a redemptive view of Woolf’s suicide that the evidence does not support. She feared she was again going mad and would not recover this time. She calls what she suffers from a “disease,” which it is. This is what she said. Why not tell students about that fear and have a discussion about depression, bipolar disorder, and mental illness more generally? About the likely outcomes of not getting such diseases treated properly—“proper” treatment was not available for Woolf at this time. Of course, do your research first. And Hermione Lee’s biography of Woolf is quite solidly grounded in the facts on the issue of her suicide. I’d read her pages dedicated to the suicide before talking about it with students.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Hope that’s helpful.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'>Brenda Helt</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces+helt0010=umn.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf-bounces+helt0010=umn.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a> [mailto:vwoolf-bounces+helt0010=<a href="mailto:umn.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">umn.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Melody Wilson<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:14 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:atleswoolf@aol.com">atleswoolf@aol.com</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">Vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] Apocryphal lines</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Interesting--I'm very troubled about putting words in her mouth as well.<br><br>Be Wise<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On Jun 14, 2012, at 6:12 AM, <a href="mailto:atleswoolf@aol.com">atleswoolf@aol.com</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>As far as I know, these lines are the screenwriter David Hare's and not Michael Cunningham's. They don't appear in the novel -- only in the film. I read somewhere a while back that Hare said he was nervous about putting such words into Woolf's mouth, or something to that effect.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Best, </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Drew Shannon</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>College of Mount St. Joseph<br><br><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Melody Wilson <<a href="mailto:melodywilson@tds.net">melodywilson@tds.net</a>><br>To: <a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a> <<a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">Vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>><br>Sent: Thu, Jun 14, 2012 8:51 am<br>Subject: [Vwoolf] Apocryphal lines</span><o:p></o:p></p><div id="AOLMsgPart_0_25516dbe-fa86-454e-a454-ea7676e2c062"><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Dear Woolfians:</span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>I am writing a eulogy, and after showing The Hours in my class (we had read </span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Dalloway), I was struck by the final lines I paraphrase as to look life in the </span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>face and to love it...then to put it away (I'm stuck in this screen and can't </span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>verify). I have done a preliminary search and think these are cunningham's </span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>lines (he attributes them to one of the suicide notes). Can anyone verify that </span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>these lines are not Woolf's? I will probably open w them anyway as the are </span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>appropriate but I would like to know. Thanks for your help.</span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Be Wise</span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'> </span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________</span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'>Vwoolf mailing list</span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">Vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a></span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre><pre style='background:white'><tt><span style='color:black'><a href="https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf">https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a></span></tt><o:p></o:p></pre></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>Vwoolf mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">Vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf">https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></body></html>