[Heb-NACO] Fwd: Name of divinity

Fri Mar 8 12:42:31 EST 2024

Thanks Jasmin and Bob.  There is no geresh or gershayim.  It's just as it would appear in a siddur.

Caroline

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Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: Name of divinity

Actually, upon further thought, the Princeton romanization form doesn’t make sense. Our practice is not to spell out what an initialism stands for. Even if י"י stands for Yeya Yeyi, we don’t write it out, just as when representing ע"ש we do so as ‘a. sh., not ‘al shem.

The people responsible for the Princeton site are retired, so I’m not sure we’re going to get any insight from them.

I’d be happy to hear from someone at LC…

Thanks, Jasmin

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I guess the question boils down to whether there’s a geresh or gershayim between the yods. If so, the Princeton form makes sense. If it’s just two yods next to each other, though, with no <”>, the HCM-RDA guidance indicates the practice

I guess the question boils down to whether there’s a geresh or gershayim between the yods. If so, the Princeton form makes sense.

If it’s just two yods next to each other, though, with no <”>, the HCM-RDA guidance indicates the practice is to represent the letters as they appear (and as seen in the other LC records), Y.Y..

Kol tuv, Jasmin

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Subject: [Heb-NACO] Fwd: Name of divinity

For me, "Yeya" works just fine since it's supported both in the targumim and in Even Shoshan. Too, Princeton advises its use also. https: //library. princeton. edu/departments/tsd/katmandu/hebrew/y8. html Cheers ---------- Forwarded

For me, "Yeya" works just fine since it's supported both in the targumim and in Even Shoshan. Too, Princeton advises its use also.

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Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] Name of divinity
To: Robert M. TALBOTT <rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu<mailto:rtalbott at library.berkeley.edu>>, Miller, Caroline <crmiller at library.ucla.edu<mailto:crmiller at library.ucla.edu>>

There are exactly 2 records in LC that use Yeya (the one you cite and lccn2011383449, which oddly has both Yeya and Yeyi). In contrast, there are several more records that use Y.Y. So much for “past practice”. I’m also not sure that anyone, with the exception of scholars, are aware that there is a vocalized form, or how useful that form is to the user.

The HCM-RDA specifies: “Abbreviations representing the Tetragrammaton are romanized as they appear.”

Just my half pfennig…

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Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] Name of divinity

It's pointed with a sheva and a kamats in Onkelos and in Targum Yonatan (e. g. Exodus 35: 1), romanized as Yeya by LC in the past (OCLC 46431749). It seems to me that if it's pointed and already past practice, there's no reason to

It's pointed with a sheva and a kamats in Onkelos and in Targum Yonatan (e.g. Exodus 35:1), romanized as Yeya by LC in the past (OCLC 46431749). It seems to me that if it's pointed and already past practice, there's no reason to further complicate the issue with initialisms.

Bob

On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 2:50 PM Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>> wrote:

All, The third word of a title I have is a divine name (double yod): אלה מועדי. . . . How would I transcribe this? HCM only includes instructions for the Tetragrammaton and some one letter abbreviations on p. 30. Thanks. Caroline Caroline R. 

All,

The third word of a title I have is a divine name (double yod):  אלה מועדי... .

How would I transcribe this?  HCM only includes instructions for the Tetragrammaton and some one letter abbreviations on p. 30.

Thanks.

Caroline

Caroline R. Miller

Team Leader, Discovery Team

Hebraica/Judaica Metadata Librarian

UCLA Library Resource Acquisitions and Metadata Services

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