[Heb-NACO] קלוקלים

[Galron, Joseph]

I agree with Barry – it should be Kelokelim and not Keloklim or Kloklim. It is a Hebrew word.

It is not the same as Dramati (that is a non-Hebrew word)

From: Heb-naco On Behalf Of Barry Dov Walfish via Heb-naco
Sent: Monday, February 07, 2022 11:48 PM
To: Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino at pobox.upenn.edu>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>
Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] קלוקלים

Hi, Jasmin,

The rule seems to be that if in the singular base word the letter in question has a vowel underneath it, then, in the plural
the sheva is a sheva na. So, since the sing. is kelokel, with tsere under the kof, then the plural should be kelokelim.
See:
https://hebrew-academy.org.il/2013/09/01/%D7%A2%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%A8%D7%99-%D7%AA%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%AA-%D7%94%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%95%D7%93/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/hebrew-academy.org.il/2013/09/01/**I-**G-**K/__;16LXmden16jXmdeq15XXqNeq15TXoNeZ16fXldeT!!KGKeukY!kfyp455q_TPBY6DDi9TdY5pTxdZfi2EiioJlp5K5FC7qtCWMurG2Lb2MsMFy_NzmQJio$>
Hope this helps,
Best,
Barry


On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 11:29 PM Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco <heb-naco at lists.osu.edu<mailto:heb-naco at lists.osu.edu>> wrote:
Hi, all,

The above is found in a couple titles by Toviyah Rubner (and is cited from him in the E.-Sh. entry for word). It has historically been romanized as ḳeloḳelim. My question is, why is the sheva under the second kof romanized as though it were a vocalized sheva? As a sheva merahef, wouldn’t it be ignored and the word romanized ḳeloḳlim?

Looking forward to your input.

Thanks, Jasmin

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